JohnnearCfon
17 years ago
I have just uploaded some photographs taken at Llechwedd in June 1984. They make interesting comparisons to more recent photos. Especially

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When the rail bender wagon was kept inside the museum. Compared with

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To say nothing of this

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Compared to

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Also, was this

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Originally this?

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hymac580c
17 years ago
Pity these artifacts have deteriorated as they have. A good coat of creosote or similar preservative annualy would have helped timber preservation when out in all weather.
I know a few farmers that give their timber trailers a good coating of waste engine oil after changing the oil in their tractor. It does the job well.
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Jasonbirder
17 years ago
Surely this is just a good argument for leaving artifacts in situ...rather than romoving them to the supposedly safe hands of museums/collectors...
JohnnearCfon
17 years ago
In the case of the rail bender, it was under cover, so wouldn't have deteriorated at all until some muppet put it outside!
Dean Allison
17 years ago
Such a shame. I have never seen a rail bender before and this is the first time I have seen a photo of one, thanks for posting it.

I have quite a few nice artefacts from coal mines but these were things my dad got when he worked there and I am glad he did, otherwise they would probably be in a landfill now.
JohnnearCfon
17 years ago
As far as I know, one mounted on a wagon like that is unique! Also, it is reputed that it was designed by one of the Spooners (of Festiniog Railway fame).
hymac580c
17 years ago
I think sometimes it is very difficult to know what is best for artifacts. Take for example the wagon John bought from Maen some time ago for preservation, then finding having to sell it on thinking it was going to a good home. And as we saw it was destroyed by the owner. I would have loved it in our garden.
Every now and again I find myself with some classic car parts that I do not need. I have over time given some away thinking they could be used, but then found that they were not.
So what I do with them now when I want a clearout is to put them on ebay and then say a headlight chrome for an Austin Cambridge goes to someone who needs it instead of somone who would have it, but no use for it. Even it just sells for a pound.
There might be someone who donated an interesting mining artifact to a museum thinking it would be preserved for future generations. Then in a few years finding their relic rotten and neglected as in 'you know where'.
I have some slate cutting tools, a jympar and some bits and pieces that my past familly had when working the slate. And to be perfectly honest I would think twice before donating anything to any museum for the reasons we have seen.
I think some things should be at a museum and many relics should stay where they are. Or possibly given to someone that would look after them.
Bellach dim ond swn y gwynt yn chwibian, lle bu gynt yr engan ar cynion yn tincian.
Peter Burgess
17 years ago
Any museum worth calling a museum will adhere strictly to a carefully drawn up acquisition and disposal policy. If it hasn't got one, it isn't a good museum. Maybe anyone thinking of offering anything to a museum should first make sure that it is properly accredited and has such a policy which you should read first before making any decision.
JohnnearCfon
17 years ago
I suppose it also boils down to "What is a museum?" In the case of those photographs the site is a money maker and nothing more. However, that said they are in receipt of considerable sums of money in the form of grants. I would have assumed that gave them some kind of responsibility too, obviously not!

Hymac is right about the wagon I reluctantly sold, I did think it was going to a good home. The person concerned although living in Berkshire had family connections with Dinorwic, and had made quite a point of collecting railway items from N Wales slate industry (amongst other items). Ah well, too late now.
hymac580c
17 years ago
Also what I think is an important factor regarding museums is that they must have items there that are of interest to the general public. Because if they have not, people will not go there. A museum is a buisiness and it is run in order to earn money to pay it's way. Many are now subsidised by the goverment of course. But most importantly of all it should have staff that has an interest in their work and of the title of their museum.
Bellach dim ond swn y gwynt yn chwibian, lle bu gynt yr engan ar cynion yn tincian.
Peter Burgess
17 years ago
Hmmm... Some of the best museums are run by charities, and although they need to pay their way, their primary objective is to educate and inform. For the researcher, the best thing a museum can offer is access to all the stuff in the back rooms that is of little interest to the average punter, but of immense value to the historian.
Dean Allison
17 years ago
Wish someone would mention that to Woodhorn Colliery Museum at Ashington here in Northumberland. Had a trip there recemtly, my main purpose to see the winderhouse of which my dad worked on the restoration, only to be told that it is closed unless visiting in an organised group, due to H&S reasons in case someone falls off the staircase :curse:
Its the only really decent bit of the museum and you cannot actually go in unless its pre-arranged with a guide! Bloody ridiculous I think. 😠
Gwyn
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17 years ago
That doesn't sound like Health and Safety, BigLoada, just "can't be bothered for one person". What changes in the risk assessment between an individual and a group visiting?
Dean Allison
17 years ago
"Gwyn" wrote:

That doesn't sound like Health and Safety, BigLoada, just "can't be bothered for one person". What changes in the risk assessment between an individual and a group visiting?



I dont know whats going on there but when me and my mate went and asked why the winderhouse was locked we were told that it remains locked unless pre arranged for group tours and someone had to supervise due to a metal staircase which posed a safety risk.
Sad really as it is such an important part of the museum.

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