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Due to the fact I wasn't doing many underground pics (that was my mates job) back when I was an underground regular, does any one have any pictures they can post in the Jug Holes albums on here as it was and is still a nice Derbyshire underground ramble. Both Archive and upto date would be nice especially any views of it with the rails in place etc etc.. happy days again. 🙂
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Up to date shots of the lower series could be a bit of a problem just now unless you use the shaft entrance, the way in from the main cavern is curently seriously unsafe. :ohmygod: It looks OK from the top. but once you're partway down you realise it's not a good idea to go further.....
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I remember it wasn't always that clever anyway...
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Probably not quite what you had in mind but I've uploaded the only one I have. Makes it a bit less empty at least 😉
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16 years ago
"Mr.C" wrote:

Probably not quite what you had in mind but I've uploaded the only one I have. Makes it a bit less empty at least 😉



Keeping people out? Or keeping them in?!
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"Vanoord" wrote:

"Mr.C" wrote:

Probably not quite what you had in mind but I've uploaded the only one I have. Makes it a bit less empty at least 😉



Keeping people out? Or keeping them in?!


Explorers & bats etc. in/out. Passers by out (secured with Derbyshire lock - a big nut & bolt). 😉
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Even I wouldnt let me in ! 😉
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Seeing that gate takes me back. I went through back in the Nineties. :offtopic:

back then the exit was a buried oil drum with a hinged lid.

Below this was a muddy, slippy puddle. This meant that you could not get the purchase under your feet to open the lid to exit. In other words you reached up, tried to push the lid open, and your feet would slip beneath you.

The only solution was for me to lie on my back in the puddle. The person showing me through climbed up into the drum. and I held and pushed against the soles of her boots while she managed to push the lid open. 😎
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That old lid was heavy too. It was an old tub road turntable!
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That was the entrance I remember so well and yes I got the same wet patch. I alway remember a mate James trying desperately to open the lid, he was slight in build and kept just sliding back . Great fun... we had to do the same thing pushing on the feet. The weirdest memory I have was as we were coming out an old man with a little girl (maybe around 8 yrs old & calling him grandad) and a border collie were coming in and we met in the passage near the entrance as he was lighting up a fag... they had torches and the old teflex(? is that right?) hemets... we kinda looked quizzingly and he pre empted us with "whats thar loookin at, arv bin comin ere bloody years" ... fraid to say we left em to! :lol:
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I just spent 30 mins in loft cussing looking for some pics of cromford Sough and found a few slides and Voila.... 4 pics in Jug Holes ... 24 years ago I reckon... I didn't think I'd taken these.... the scan copy is a bit naff though!
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The shaft that drops into the lower entrance

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looking down the shaft

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staci climbing back up
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Is the oval plaque still there?
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what plaq is that?
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I'm sure there was an oval plaque next to the shaft mentioning the PDMHS and the shaft cap...
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there is another shaft cap near the bottom entrance and this one above it with concret sleepers. dont remember any plaqs tho
Thrutch
16 years ago
When I first saw the shaft into the adit it had a nice stone built cover (effectively three sides and a roof), leaving one side open for access. The adit itself was open (complete with tub?). There was a dead lamb, decomposing, at the bottom of the shaft which a friend of mine stepped into on the way in. Further on I was exploring a crawl and frustrated by our leader's failure to find the way on (not the first time) I just lay still, not realising that my boots were protruding from the crawl. The smell of the lamb as it wafted through the passages combined with the sight of my boots produced a sudden and dramatic panic in our leader. The rest of the trip was a success.
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Gross!!.... There was as you looked down the inclined big quarry entrance a small low overhang on the left at the bottom. A passage ran from under it that spiraled up to a shaft .... said shaft had had a nicely barbed wire wrapped dead dog thrown down it... bit like your lamb but our glorious leader head butted it with his hat and it split.... very quick exit made... ::)
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16 years ago
Gross indeed!
I did not know of that passage (or have forgotten/seen it from a different angle) but that has reminded me of Jug Holes lost. The Jug Holes we know does not quite fit the Jug Holes described in the first caver's account or the legends (lake, scalded bodies emerging into the Derwent ----!). There are more recent accounts; there has been a connection, via another mine with Oxclose Mine, even if the story (from living miners when told) about redundant Millclose miners entering Jug Holes and emerging on the Via Gellia might well refer to a search over that area or even be a story to confuse cavers at that time. A Jug Holes sough has been mentioned in PDHMS publications. I would like to know what was at the bottom of Hut shaft - it was big and beautifully ginged. Connecting with caverns as per a survey or an expensive venture that went no-where?
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16 years ago
When I first explored the Jugholes cave system way back in the very early 1950's with my club "Op Mole", Derbyshire Stone had recently finished working the site for the extraction of fluorspar. We had permission from Derbyshire Stone (who leased the mineral rights from the Bagshaw Estate) to explore the cave system and other mines on the Snitterton estate, the land owner of whom was Col. Bagshaw of Snitterton Hall who also gave us permission to walk on his land. We used the defunk workman's hut sited in the boundary hedge on the eastern side of the Jugholes Comb as our club's hut. Reports and surveys of our explorations were typed up and copies sent to Derbyshire Stone, and it was through this that we met Nellie Kirkham. The ore shute used by Derbyshire Stone to fill the lorries that took the excavated material from the Jugholes site to Megdale processing plant for processing was still intact on the hillside, just downhill from the large cave entrance. There were very few trees growing on the site then (mainly Jugholes wood), and one had beautiful views looking north up the Derwent Valley from the plateau outside the large cave entrance. I enjoyed sitting there in summer, about half a hour before dusk, when Jugholes bats come out, it's a wonderful sight, they wheel around the cave entrance before flying off for the night.

Access to the Lower series was by way of crawling through collapsed railway sleepers at the entrance into the adit, in fact our water supply for the "hut" was obtained from leaving containers in the 5th Water Cavern (as we then called it) to catch the drips of water. Just before my club started exploration of the system, in the late 1940's a stillborn baby was found dropped down the shaft on the adit, the parents were traced to Wirksworth through the newspaper wrapped around it. Sad.

One of my friends when first exploring Jugholes during the war, when entering the Upper Series told me that the flowstone on the "Beehive slope" was all sparkling and glistening pure white - what spar miners call "sugar spar". Alas no more.

When we started to explore the area there was very little in the way of records that we could consult, but a few years ago we found a plan drawn by John Nuttall a surveyor, in about 1767 of the Calf tail veins and surrounding mines at Snitterton. This plan shews fields, field names and where the lead veins and mines were situated, it shews the Noon Nick vein (Nellie said it was probably got it's name through a man called Noon, who "nicked" the vein according to the rules of the Barmote Court) running north to south up the Jugholes Combe and on it's southern extremity Jugholes cave is shewn. However, from memory, I don't think originally the cave entrance was as big as it is now, I think Derbyshire Stone possibly enlarged the large entrance during their 1940's opencasting work. I know a retired Bonsall spar miner (now in his mid 80's) who told me that Jugholes was worked in the early 1920's (I have notes of our conversation tucked away somewhere), and he could remember he (as a boy) and his father (another spar miner who was also a Barmote Court juryman) regularly visiting the mine workings when it was working. He thought that was when the adit was driven and timbered up, or possibly retimbered. He also said that there was a set of rails from the top of the wood to the gate on Salters Lane, crossing over the top field to the east of Jugholes wood - the one with the Police radio mast in. Towards the end of the war and continuing into the late 1940's Derbyshire Stone then worked Jugholes and surrounding area for fluorspar extraction. The next period of fluorspar working was in the mid 1950's by Bill Marsden of Winster who leased the mineral rights from Derbyshire Stone (Bill Marsden had the washer at Mawstone Mine, Youlgreave - where he tipped all the washings down Mawstone main drawing shaft, which subsequently silted up the part of Hillcarr sough draining Mawstone mine) and it is from that period that the present mine workings date from.

Regarding Hut Shaft, it is a large, beautiful, oval, ginged shaft which had a pair of wooden shuttered doors over it. Op Mole went down it on ladders, but from memory it didn't go anywhere.

As to the legends of passages from Jugholes to Oxclose mine (which incidently is strictly off limit); a scalded body of a miner disappearing from there and coming out of a sough into the River Derwent at Matlock Bath; also the barking dog of Jugholes, these were all the figment of immagination of a Sheffield newspaper photographer by name of Frank Brindley who spun the most fantastic tales. Incidently if anyone is interested, included in my records that I deposited at the Derbyshire Record Office is the article by Frank Brindley of the lead miner "boiled alive" and the barking dog. The latter is explained away by a syphon down in the Upper Series at the end of the stream passage at the bottom of the Beehive slope, this is what causes the noise of the dog! There was also another legend of the "faceless lady of Jugholes" supposedly a "boggart" who haunts the cave, she was thrown down a shaft to her death by her husband who caught her having an affair with another miner.

After reading this topic on the Forum, I phoned an old friend who was the photographer for Op Mole to ask him to send me copies of his early black and white photos of the cave so that I can post them to the forum.
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