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gNick
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8 years ago

#21

"John Lawson" wrote:
Hi Nick,
I am a long way from Nenthead at the minute, but I am intrigued by your inference that the entrance to Smallcleugh was becoming a little suspect!
In my opinion the horse level from the entrance to the Dickenson or Hard Level cross cut has remained pretty stable over the 50 years I have known it.
So where is problem?
I can understand that Proud's sump, does provide an alternative way out and as such the hangers, and bolts should be looked after, but surely even this is only a second way out if you have the necessary abseiling gear?

The level itself is as stable as ever but the arching by the gate is dropping a fair bit of stone from the walls which are looking unhealthy. I wouldn't be at all happy with it in the show mine and I suspect that the inspector would feel the same.

The more useful use of Proud's would be as a way in to allow gear to be brought in to bring out a party should the entrance arching give way.

Don't look so embarrassed, it's a family trait...

legendrider
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8 years ago

#22

Nick,

one of the issues highlighted by 'our' HSE visit was the need to secure the main egress, which, like Smallcleugh, is stone arched. There were major areas of spalling due to pressure cracks, missing stones, and an interesting run of missing blocks at shin height, which we deduced were probably caused by ice on top of the standing water, in the winters of 45 and 63.

Dr KW suggested that replacing all missing stones and mortar pointing the worst areas would even out the stresses across the arching. The 'point' of the pointing is not to glue things in place, but to act as lots of little keystones, thereby allowing the downward forces to be spread more evenly.

Job now done, and Colins concreting is a wonder to behold!

Nice job for summer or autumn!

MARK

festina lente[i]

gNick
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8 years ago

#23

"J25GTi" wrote:
To be honest, if you don't want the rope damaged. Do not leave it in situ. Not everyone is as experienced at pull through etc. So it's the risk that is ran by leaving kit in olace.

Personally I wouldn't use in situ ropes.

OK so at what point is it OK to trash someone else's ropes?

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RAMPAGE
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8 years ago

#24

Well, it never is, to do so knowingly is potentially attempted murder. In this case here though I would think it has been done by accident through thoughtlessness rather than malice.

It does happen. We see gear damaged through misuse by persons unknown. Any good caver/explorer/instructor assesses all rigging before use and never assumes it must be ok.

Sh1t happens...

Beneath my steely exterior beats the heart of a dashing hero

J25GTi
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8 years ago

#25

"RAMPAGE" wrote:
Well, it never is, to do so knowingly is potentially attempted murder. In this case here though I would think it has been done by accident through thoughtlessness rather than malice.

It does happen. We see gear damaged through misuse by persons unknown. Any good caver/explorer/instructor assesses all rigging before use and never assumes it must be ok.

Sh1t happens...

Maybe not even thoughtless Ness. Pure inexperience could be the culprit here.

If you do not want kit damaged etc, do not leave it in situ for others to use who may not have the same care and regard for your kit as you do....