exspelio
11 years ago
"UrbanExplorer2k
Is there any other books you can recommend me sourcing old maps anything with names from shafts to engine house etc etc

Thanks again[/quote wrote:



CSM virtual museum site has links to a couple of extensive book lists;

http://projects.exeter.ac.uk/geomincentre/intro.htm 


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UrbanExplorer2k
11 years ago
"exspelio" wrote:



CSM virtual museum site has links to a couple of extensive book lists;

http://projects.exeter.ac.uk/geomincentre/intro.htm 




Thanks,

Just had a little glance and will look further. A lot of very useful info.

Thanks again
Tamarmole
11 years ago
What you need is a copy of Dines - Mike "cut my own throat" Moore should be able to sort you out.

Also fairly essential is a set of Hamilton Jenkins maps. These are annotated copies of the 190 something or other 6 inch to the mile OS maps. The good news is that they can be had for free from the Carbis Bay Crew's website.
Dolcoathguy
11 years ago
"Tamarmole" wrote:

What you need is a copy of Dines - Mike "cut my own throat" Moore should be able to sort you out.

Also fairly essential is a set of Hamilton Jenkins maps. These are annotated copies of the 190 something or other 6 inch to the mile OS maps. The good news is that they can be had for free from the Carbis Bay Crew's website.



Just looked at the Carbis Bay Crew Website - very interesting and looks very promising for the future. Will be interesting to see their comments on what damage the recent rain has done underground.
Is it safe to come out of the bunker yet?
UrbanExplorer2k
11 years ago
"Tamarmole" wrote:

What you need is a copy of Dines - Mike "cut my own throat" Moore should be able to sort you out.

Also fairly essential is a set of Hamilton Jenkins maps. These are annotated copies of the 190 something or other 6 inch to the mile OS maps. The good news is that they can be had for free from the Carbis Bay Crew's website.




Hi tamarmole,

Thanks for the info

I Got the set of Hj maps from the website also OS maps, locating other mining remains which are not on the hj maps, so hoping to be able to grab anything else that will indicate mine workings by names etc

As well as a copy of dines which hoping to collect beginning of the next week.

Now ordered and hope to collect today.

Exploring Cornish Mines Volume 1: Six Guided Tours (1994) (co-author with Kenneth Brown)

Exploring Cornish Mines Volume 2: Seven Guided Tours (1995) (co-author with Kenneth Brown)

Exploring Cornish Mines Volume 3: Five Guided Tours (1997) (co-author with Kenneth Brown)

Exploring Cornish Mines Volume 4: Four Guided Tours (1999) (co-author with Kenneth Brown)

Exploring Cornish Mines Volume 5: Five Guided Tours (2001) (co-author with Kenneth Brown)

Should help me out.

Least I'm hoping to do is name shafts.

I've already located and named certain mine workings from houses to shafts but some shafts unable to name as of yet the likes of nwj workings got the names of the shafts been able to put a names to some but others still putting the names to them. Figure out where they join boundaries fathom depths find out everything i can about the mine.

Once finished hoping to add mine remains to my website im making about Cornwall mine remains and be able to take viewers on a trip around the sites with photos names and all info about the mine.
Dolcoathguy
11 years ago
"Dolcoathguy" wrote:

"Drillbilly." wrote:

Get brown and actons series 'exploring Cornwalls mines vols 1-5'

Essential reading




Got 1 or 2 of these, which seem to have been written in the 1990's. I wonder if there are any plans for an updated version?
Also pretty sure some of the contributors on this site probably could write some pretty good exploration guides based on past posts!




Sadly there was tragic news today about the author:
http://www.westbriton.co.uk/Tributes-prolific-writer-Cornwall-Bob-Acton/story-20676633-detail/story.html 


Is it safe to come out of the bunker yet?
UrbanExplorer2k
11 years ago
"Dolcoathguy" wrote:

"Dolcoathguy" wrote:

"Drillbilly." wrote:

Get brown and actons series 'exploring Cornwalls mines vols 1-5'

Essential reading




Got 1 or 2 of these, which seem to have been written in the 1990's. I wonder if there are any plans for an updated version?
Also pretty sure some of the contributors on this site probably could write some pretty good exploration guides based on past posts!




Sadly there was tragic news today about the author:
http://www.westbriton.co.uk/Tributes-prolific-writer-Cornwall-Bob-Acton/story-20676633-detail/story.html 



Sad news, wrote some great books not just mining as stated, read a few of is books in the past and was very pleased a lot of great history covered. Great books walks and so on and very well respected, He will definitely be missed by many.
Roy Morton
11 years ago
Sorry to hear of Bob's passing. I met him many years ago and proof read one of his early books. He loved to get about.

On a lighter note - surface remains to explore....and springing instantly to mind....Wheal Busy stamps, smithy and calciner. Killifreth area. South Francis and Basset Mines along the Gt Flat Lode, lots of hidden gems along the Carnon Valley east of Twelveheads and right up to Poldice, South Caradon area, Falmouth Consolidated Mines-aka Old Wheal Jane, Tolgus Calciner. I'm sure others will add to this list. 🙂
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Tamarmole
11 years ago
If you have no objection to venturing east:

Surface remains at Devon Great Consols would give you a good full day's explore. The 1920s arsenic works in particular is well worth a look.

The Bere Peninsula is interesting as you can follow the North South Lead /Silver lodes for a considerable distance.

A circuit of Caradon Hill following the rail systems is another cracking walk, apart from stunning industrial archaeology you also get amazing views (assuming the rain ever stops). South Caradon is particularly atmospheric.



UrbanExplorer2k
11 years ago
"Roy Morton" wrote:

Sorry to hear of Bob's passing. I met him many years ago and proof read one of his early books. He loved to get about.

On a lighter note - surface remains to explore....and springing instantly to mind....Wheal Busy stamps, smithy and calciner. Killifreth area. South Francis and Basset Mines along the Gt Flat Lode, lots of hidden gems along the Carnon Valley east of Twelveheads and right up to Poldice, South Caradon area, Falmouth Consolidated Mines-aka Old Wheal Jane, Tolgus Calciner. I'm sure others will add to this list. :)



Hi Roy

Many thanks for that, will take a look and do my research on the places you mentioned.

Had a quick look back long at few places mentioned but only briefly and a lot of remains which I'm looking for exploring in more detail once ive looked at few maps and got the books i need

Wheal Busy stamps, smithy and calciner.
Killifreth area.
Falmouth Consolidated Mines-aka Old Wheal Jane, Tolgus Calciner.

Now getting the books that been mentioned by members hoping to explore more in a lot more detail

Thanks again



"Tamarmole" wrote:

If you have no objection to venturing east:

Surface remains at Devon Great Consols would give you a good full day's explore. The 1920s arsenic works in particular is well worth a look.

The Bere Peninsula is interesting as you can follow the North South Lead /Silver lodes for a considerable distance.

A circuit of Caradon Hill following the rail systems is another cracking walk, apart from stunning industrial archaeology you also get amazing views (assuming the rain ever stops). South Caradon is particularly atmospheric.



Many thanks will take a look, im pretty much open to explore most places, so open to ideas really
UrbanExplorer2k
11 years ago
"Drillbilly." wrote:

Get brown and actons series 'exploring Cornwalls mines vols 1-5'

Essential reading



Thanks for pointing me in the right direction with these books.

Got yesterday,

Exploring Cornish Mines Volume 3:
Exploring Cornish Mines Volume 4:

Very interesting reading what ive been looking for to explore Mines in more detail, so thanks again.
Not put them down since getting them yesterday. Currently reading Vol: 3 article about Wheal Coates & the Charlotte's St Agnes. Very interesting read few pieces mention Roy fellow on here, pointing out some interesting pieces about the mine, looking forward to getting vol 1,2,5

Thanks again
Drillbilly.
11 years ago
It's a great subject and unlike many cavers, the literature part of things is a massive part of what interests me. I remember seeing "Exploring Cornwall's Mines 1" in a shop and bought it and that got me out of poking around adits and tips in the tamar valley and ultimately caving and doing it really seriously, to the degree that I find myself out on multiple sites every week. It is a fantastic subject with almost limitless amounts of information to get into, before you do your poking around.

If you can sit there and say "Yes, I am really keen on this and I want to know more" it's a good idea to get a handle on the information available.

As others have mentioned. A copy of Dines (Moorebooks) is essential. It tells you what is where and allows you to make more sense of the 6" maps (of which the hamilton jenkin variety are the most common in circulation). This puts you in the right ballpark. With this and Acton/Brown's series, you would be pretty well set up.

Bradford Barton always has some goodies and among them are "The History of Copper Mining in Cornwall and Devon" which is an utterly outstanding text and really brings it alive. You also have "Cornish Mining" by Bryan Earl, which is another good overview of your basic subject matter which you need in order to have a good handle on what was actually going on.

If minerals/geology are your thing, you need to get a copy of "The Mineralogy of Cornwall and Devon" by JH Collins. This is pretty much the bible of what stuff can be found on what tips. Again, combined with Dines and 6" maps, you're off in a major way. The old (1904-10) geological memoirs are exceedingly good. Including titles such as "The geology of the country around Falmouth and Truro, including the camborne mining district". That again draws from other rarer and classic texts like Henwood's Metalliferous Deposits 1843 (which is about £200, if you can find one).

I pretty much have a complete library (apart from the migration/social stuff) and the above are pretty damn essential...they are the spine of the subject....how could I forget...."Mines and Miners of Cornwall Vols 1-16" by Hamilton Jenkin. These are the fruit of his work which resulted in a lot of maps getting scribbled on. For obscure things and amusing anecdotes, these are essential. They are expensive, look to pay £15-20 at least. You can get them cheaper though. They are something to build up.

Then, use the CRO. I have managed to stay well away from the CRO (Cornwall Record Office) - Dines gives you a number of pieces of information...the 6" OS map number like 63NE and then whatever plans are included, like R92A. If you go into the record office, they have literally thousands of plans you can browse through. It is a total privilage to handle these amazing documents which are sometimes incredible. If you are interested in a place and want to make sense of it. Type CROCAT into Google and search their records. You email them [email protected] and say "Do you have any appointments for the map table on such and such date" and they give you an answer. You confirm your time and say can I see so-and-so 5 documents and when you roll in there, they give you some cotton gloves and you can knock yourself out.

The records are utterly incredible.

In my estimation, half of the joy is doing the prep before the practical. You look at Dines, the HJ maps and the plans and when you roll up, you can sometimes really appreciate what the place must have been like in a sublime manner.

Anyway, good luck, it's one hell of a subject/hobby/job.
tomh
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11 years ago
Don't forget the Trounson books and the Spargo books.

I have been looking for a certain shaft mention on Par Consols and finally found it in Trounsons future mines of Cornwall today :thumbsup:
UrbanExplorer2k
11 years ago
"Drillbilly." wrote:

It's a great subject and unlike many cavers, the literature part of things is a massive part of what interests me. I remember seeing "Exploring Cornwall's Mines 1" in a shop and bought it and that got me out of poking around adits and tips in the tamar valley and ultimately caving and doing it really seriously, to the degree that I find myself out on multiple sites every week. It is a fantastic subject with almost limitless amounts of information to get into, before you do your poking around.

If you can sit there and say "Yes, I am really keen on this and I want to know more" it's a good idea to get a handle on the information available.

As others have mentioned. A copy of Dines (Moorebooks) is essential. It tells you what is where and allows you to make more sense of the 6" maps (of which the hamilton jenkin variety are the most common in circulation). This puts you in the right ballpark. With this and Acton/Brown's series, you would be pretty well set up.

Bradford Barton always has some goodies and among them are "The History of Copper Mining in Cornwall and Devon" which is an utterly outstanding text and really brings it alive. You also have "Cornish Mining" by Bryan Earl, which is another good overview of your basic subject matter which you need in order to have a good handle on what was actually going on.

If minerals/geology are your thing, you need to get a copy of "The Mineralogy of Cornwall and Devon" by JH Collins. This is pretty much the bible of what stuff can be found on what tips. Again, combined with Dines and 6" maps, you're off in a major way. The old (1904-10) geological memoirs are exceedingly good. Including titles such as "The geology of the country around Falmouth and Truro, including the camborne mining district". That again draws from other rarer and classic texts like Henwood's Metalliferous Deposits 1843 (which is about £200, if you can find one).

I pretty much have a complete library (apart from the migration/social stuff) and the above are pretty damn essential...they are the spine of the subject....how could I forget...."Mines and Miners of Cornwall Vols 1-16" by Hamilton Jenkin. These are the fruit of his work which resulted in a lot of maps getting scribbled on. For obscure things and amusing anecdotes, these are essential. They are expensive, look to pay £15-20 at least. You can get them cheaper though. They are something to build up.

Then, use the CRO. I have managed to stay well away from the CRO (Cornwall Record Office) - Dines gives you a number of pieces of information...the 6" OS map number like 63NE and then whatever plans are included, like R92A. If you go into the record office, they have literally thousands of plans you can browse through. It is a total privilage to handle these amazing documents which are sometimes incredible. If you are interested in a place and want to make sense of it. Type CROCAT into Google and search their records. You email them [email protected] and say "Do you have any appointments for the map table on such and such date" and they give you an answer. You confirm your time and say can I see so-and-so 5 documents and when you roll in there, they give you some cotton gloves and you can knock yourself out.

The records are utterly incredible.

In my estimation, half of the joy is doing the prep before the practical. You look at Dines, the HJ maps and the plans and when you roll up, you can sometimes really appreciate what the place must have been like in a sublime manner.

Anyway, good luck, it's one hell of a subject/hobby/job.



Many thanks again, can clealy say upon reading the books mentioned above im getting in to mine exploring a lot more each time i read a new section of books or look at maps, now gone out today at got the copy of dines and now got exploring Cornish mines all 5 vol.

so in total got all 5 exploring Cornish mines
Dines book vol 1 - the metalliferous mining region of sw england

Also mines and miners of cornwall truro and china clay district

So abit more set up and can now explore mines in more detail before going out on my travels

next book i seen today and you mentioned above but didnt have enough to grab it so need to go back is

Bradford Barton "The History of Copper Mining in Cornwall and Devon"

so as said im pretty much covered and looking forward to exploring mine remains in more detail

Thanks again for all the info
UrbanExplorer2k
11 years ago
"tomh" wrote:

Don't forget the Trounson books and the Spargo books.

I have been looking for a certain shaft mention on Par Consols and finally found it in Trounsons future mines of Cornwall today :thumbsup:




Will have a look for them thanks
tomh
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11 years ago
Dines book vol 1 - the metalliferous mining region of sw england

Do you have both books?
Dines is a 2 part
UrbanExplorer2k
11 years ago
"tomh" wrote:

Dines book vol 1 - the metalliferous mining region of sw england

Do you have both books?
Dines is a 2 part




Hi, tomh

Well yes and know.

Currently got Dines vol 1 and collect the other tomorrow. Collected first part today and i must say very impressed not put it down currently going through places ive visited and explored and hoping to explore in more detail once ive explored the places via the books and maps. Nice to be able to names to places and look at the bigger picture.

scooptram
11 years ago
I know its over in England ! but have you had a look at the Tamer Valley Industrial Archaeology underground website has maps history etc of the mines around there
UrbanExplorer2k
11 years ago
"scooptram" wrote:

I know its over in England ! but have you had a look at the Tamer Valley Industrial Archaeology underground website has maps history etc of the mines around there



Hi, Scooptram

Not as of yet but will take a look, im pretty much game to explore anything with great interest don't mind travelling a bit also

Will take a look, Thanks for the info

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