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Morlock
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15 years ago

From the times.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article7047101.ece

Edit: Can a someone move to the correct area? 😞

[tweak]hopefully moved to the right place - srl[/tweak]

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Vanoord
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15 years ago

Where on earth was the local Cave Rescue?

Hello again darkness, my old friend...

Morlock
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15 years ago

"Vanoord" wrote:
Where on earth was the local Cave Rescue?

Probably awaiting 'The Call'?

I do not fully understand as in South Wales I believe the police automatically
follow a standing procedure and CR/MR are in early.

RJV
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15 years ago

"Vanoord" wrote:
Where on earth was the local Cave Rescue?

Not sure how many there are north of Yorkshire.

Morlock
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15 years ago

"RJV" wrote:

"Vanoord" wrote:
Where on earth was the local Cave Rescue?

Not sure how many there are north of Yorkshire.

Think it was a long way further north?

ICLOK
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15 years ago

I'm really concerned that we have got to this level of demarcation at all... If the fire brigade thought they were capable of getting the woman out they should have been free to have done so, but to stand back on the grounds of H&S.... whatever next mobile risk assessor on every shout.... I'll just assess what to do while your house burns down!!! Yep its well ablaze so we shan't be trying to get your family out as someone could get hurt.... Aaaaaagh 😠 .

Personally I hope this poor womans family throws the book at the local authorities as I'm pretty certain they will win, I'm amazed that the coroner hasn't made mince meat out of the authorities also.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh Creeper!!!!!

AR
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15 years ago

If our MPs spent less time feathering their own nests and instead put some limits into law on compensation culture (such as immunity from injury claims where you are acting in the vital interests of a person) then we might not have idiotic situation like this. there should be some very hard questions being asked about why, if equipment can be used by firefighters it cannot be used by the people they are rescuing.... :curse:

Follow the horses, Johnny my laddie, follow the horses canny lad-oh!

Moorebooks
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15 years ago

The accident was in Scotland and you need to see all the facts before jumping to conclusions- the same debate is raging on Uk caving forum where other links have been added

Mike

ICLOK
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15 years ago

As a sometime risk assessor this one really is the most disgraceful thing I've read in a long time... The H&S person(s) and lawyers behind this policy should face criminal charges if it is proved that the woman would have/could have lived.
This is a typical case whereby the back room lawyers believe they are limiting the local authorities legal exposure to claims by forcing crippling H&S regulations onto the firebrigade etc without any knowledge of the capabilities of the service or any sort of risk assessment of what this might mean to the public, but this is where it back fires as by deliberately imposing draconian H&S such that the public are injured / killed it makes them just as liable... Nail em to the wall... they deserve it. :curse:

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh Creeper!!!!!

Morlock
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15 years ago

#10

Ahh, a bit more info than in The Times report.

ICLOK
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15 years ago

#11

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolpda/ukfs_news/hi/newsid_7526000/7526883.stm? http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/editor-s-picks-ignore/fire-service-slated-over-mine-shaft-tragedy-mum-1.1010409

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh Creeper!!!!!

Daz
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15 years ago

#12

I spent sixteen years as a member of a mine rescue team, nine years of which as the teams medical officer. A member of the British Cave Rescue Council and British Mountaineering Council. I sat as a member for three years on the major incident committee, and I've worked alongside all other emergency bodies. I cannot put into words my frustration at the way in which the fire brigade work, and the number of times I was called out to manage a simple rescue, after two or three fire crews had already attended the scene, and decided that they didn't have the necessary skills or relevant experience, or were held back by their own health and safety restrictions. Enough said!

Daz

Digit
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15 years ago

#13

Just noticed that this is to be re-opened.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/8655844.stm

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derrickman
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15 years ago

#14

the crucial problem is that we have somehow acquired a culture of risk aversion, operated by a management layer with no actual experience of the process they are supposedly managing.

these people are also fully schooled in the PC doctrine that relative judgements cannot be made, because all possible solutions are equally valid and hence there is no means by which decisions can be taken.

This produces a situation in which it is paramount that no risk be taken if it can possibly be avoided; if that is by doing nothing, that's fine, because nothing can go wrong when you don't do anything

''the stopes soared beyond the range of our caplamps' - David Bick...... How times change .... oh, I don't know, I've still got a lamp like that.