maenofferen= boulder of mass...as in church mass,
consider yourselves schooled! :smartass:

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Gents

I question a lot of this. Surely Maenofferen is a mutation of Maen-y-fferam, this is what is on the early documents. Others more knowledgeable than I in Welsh say this is "stone of the farm"

Jon

Sometimes listed as Maenofferem, but mostly Maenofferen in old newspapers. Fferem is not farm. Fferm is Farm! Offeren as mass is fine , but as mass of stones, not ecclesiastic (The area maybe holey but ,perhaps, less holy)
A mass of stone seems to make more sense.
I hope that they don't use Mynydd Llechi, as Tomen Llechi (slate heap) would be more apt.
Maen means stone . Craig is rock.

Sometimes listed as Maenofferem, but mostly Maenofferen in old newspapers. Fferem is not farm. Fferm is Farm! Offeren as mass is fine , but as mass of stones, not ecclesiastic.
A mass of stone seems to make more sense.
I hope that they don't use Mynydd Llechi, as Tomen Llechi (slate heap) would be more apt

Your hopes are dashed, it's now Slate Mountain/Mynydd Llechi ..

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I don't mean to imply that the area is a heap. It's just that in welsh you would refer to a pile of stones as tomen .

I don't mean to imply that the area is a heap. It's just that in welsh you would refer to a pile of stones as tomen .
I also hope they don't use Llechryd.
Llechryd means ford of slate!

Euros, I have edited the last post..bloody autocorrect on Adit Now :lol::lol::lol:

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Ac y finnau.

And me.

I don't mean to imply that the area is a heap. It's just that in welsh you would refer to a pile of stones as tomen .
I also hope they don't use Llechryd.
Llechryd means ford of slate!

Euros, I have edited the last post..bloody autocorrect on Adit Now :lol::lol::lol:

No auto correct on AN mate, that's your web browser doing that :thumbup:

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Sometimes listed as Maenofferem, but mostly Maenofferen in old newspapers. Fferem is not farm. Fferm is Farm!

Fferam means farm in some places where they talk funny, like Anglesey.

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The spoken word might sound like Fferam , but written it is still fferm- even in Anglesey!:)

I don't mean to imply that the area is a heap. It's just that in welsh you would refer to a pile of stones as tomen .

Most of Wales is a heap of stones surely? (ducks for cover).

I think most are agreed over 'Maen'?... Rock or Stone.

On the earliest OS map of around 1842 onwards its spelt Maen-Offeren. So unless some Gaelic mutation crept into it (guesting), Fferem as in farm changing to Offerem would be unlikley? Additionally I can't find a Welsh academic reference that lists Fferem as a word.

That leaves the word Offerem then. Translated on academic pages only as Mass in the religious sense. Though today perhaps Mass is associated more so with Catholic church services, the Methodists also use('d) 'Mass' to describe its Eucharist (others less so). So while I think its unlikely a strong enough Catholic presence would be about the area we now call Blaenau Ff.- early industrial, there is an argument such a term could become attached to a location used for religious services having a significant rock or stone about there. (Such as Gladstone Rock at Cwm Llan).

Incidentally there's an interesting postal bun fight between two people writing into 'Y Llan' newspaper around October 1914 over using 'Offeren' to describe the Eucharist service within non Catholic denominations.... At least that's what I think they're griping about.

No more from me on this other than PB may be treading on a very fragile false floor here :lol:

I don't mean to imply that the area is a heap. It's just that in welsh you would refer to a pile of stones as tomen .

Most of Wales is a heap of stones surely? (ducks for cover).

Lovely heaps of sharp heavy stone....strategically left lying around.....handy for throwing at foreigners! :lol: :devil:

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I don't mean to imply that the area is a heap. It's just that in welsh you would refer to a pile of stones as tomen .

Most of Wales is a heap of stones surely? (ducks for cover).

Lovely heaps of sharp heavy stone....strategically left lying around.....handy for throwing at foreigners! :lol: :devil:

They must have an awful lot of enemies :lol:

Sometimes listed as Maenofferem, but mostly Maenofferen in old newspapers. Fferem is not farm. Fferm is Farm! Offeren as mass is fine , but as mass of stones, not ecclesiastic (The area maybe holey but ,perhaps, less holy)
A mass of stone seems to make more sense.
I hope that they don't use Mynydd Llechi, as Tomen Llechi (slate heap) would be more apt.
Maen means stone . Craig is rock.

Just to confuse the issue even more, the 1861 Company was called Maen Offeren as two words not one! :confused:

The leased (later owned) the quarry until it was taken over by Greaves in 1975.

I don't mean to imply that the area is a heap. It's just that in welsh you would refer to a pile of stones as tomen .

Most of Wales is a heap of stones surely? (ducks for cover).

Lovely heaps of sharp heavy stone....strategically left lying around.....handy for throwing at foreigners! :lol: :devil:

They must have an awful lot of enemies :lol:

Best to be prepared ;)

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maenofferen was originaly two words" maen" meaning "BOULDER" NOT ROCK AND NOT STONE ...rock is CRAIG and stone is CAREG, and offeren meaning "mass" as in a religious service used by methodist chapels and maybe also independant chapels in wales nothing to do with a mass of stone, rock or boulders. just ask SAPO he'll know.

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I don't mean to imply that the area is a heap. It's just that in welsh you would refer to a pile of stones as tomen .

Most of Wales is a heap of stones surely? (ducks for cover).

Given that, you'd have though by now they'd have reached some sort of agreement on what the word for them is... :lol:

The spoken word might sound like Fferam , but written it is still fferm- even in Anglesey!:)

Except when it isn't:
https://historicplacenames.rcahmw.gov.uk/placenames/recordedname/2fe40692-0df2-44a5-9fd3-9bfb3efd38ba 

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I don't mean to imply that the area is a heap. It's just that in welsh you would refer to a pile of stones as tomen .

Most of Wales is a heap of stones surely? (ducks for cover).

Given that, you'd have though by now they'd have reached some sort of agreement on what the word for them is... :lol:

I particularly like this comment, Alex: "Fferam means farm in some places where they talk funny, like Anglesey."
For a non-Welsh speaker, that cover the whole of Wales :)