JohnnearCfon
15 years ago
merddinemrys
15 years ago
Looks a bit like Nyth y Cigfran but I can't place the buildings. Very interesting photo. Could it be somewhere in Oakeley that's now buried?
JohnnearCfon
15 years ago
I initially thought Nidd y Gigfran, but then noticed what looks like a zig zag path and wondered if it was Oakeley, an earlier incline and earlier Miner's Path?
merddinemrys
15 years ago
Yes, there is a path somewhere around NyG, but I don't remember it being that prominent. If it is NyG, it looks as if it would have been taken from the Glanypwll area, and I would have expected the FR to make an appearance but I can't see it, or Footbridge 4 at Groesffordd either.
JohnnearCfon
15 years ago
I think we will have to wait until GrahamI sees this thread, I am sure he will be able to identify it.

I have just looked at a photo I took from Maen Offeren looking across at Oakeley/NyG (to see how good a zoom lens was). It shows a "crack" in the rock above the present head of the NyG incline, but it looks too high compared with the "crack" in the old photo.

I wonder what year it was taken?
merddinemrys
15 years ago
Looking at google streetview, the terrain doesn't seem to add up either. Are they tips to the left of the incline in the photo? I don't think there are tips west of NyG - just natural scree and it doesn't look like that.

It looks like and old photo, but then I'm no expert. Would be good to find out more. Where's grahami?
JohnnearCfon
15 years ago
They certainly look like tips. That building that is a bit higher than the rest is intriguing too!
JohnnearCfon
15 years ago
Looking at an aerial photo, I think it is an incline (and buildings) that are long buried under the Oakeley tip that is to the left of the highly visible Oakeley incline.
merddinemrys
15 years ago
Yes, I was trying to think of buildings that matched. I haven't been around there for a while and the house that used to have the miniature railway (Ty'n y Coed) was springing to mind but it doesn't look like that!

There is a telegraph pole in the foreground - could it be taken from the LNWR? The incline also looks a lot steeper than NyG, but may just be the angle of the photograph.

The retaining wall near the head of the incline looks massive - it must appear in other old photos of the area?
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15 years ago
Not sure but I think I saw this picture in[ Rhamant bro] If its the same one the houses are now buried under Oakeleys domen fawr, wasent a young girl killed on this incline?
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merddinemrys
15 years ago
Have you got a copy of the Spooner Album handy John? If you look at the photo of Bont Rhiw on page 82 I think you can see that retaining wall in the background which puts it west of there, around where Dinas station would have been, which as Jaiyls says, would now be buried. Interesting.
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:oops:Cant find the picture in rh,bro or in the daily post heritage collection,Dec 04...but I have definately seen it........somewhere 😞
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Rhiwbryfdir ffarm area the old Hollands incline and zig zag steps, a little of which is still visable poking out of the Doman Fawr..... i think ??
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p.s there is also a 3 street "village" for Oakeley workers bueried under the Doman Fawr... and an old monastry !!
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hymac580c
15 years ago
Like Jaiyls says I think it is the original incline that is now under the tip. In fact there are many other very interesting photos in this album.
I think this was the old 'Rock Garage' where the roundabout is now.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4498583&op=1&o=all&view=all&subj=341613799826&aid=-1&oid=341613799826&id=648417739#!/photo.php?pid=4491461&op=1&o=all&view=all&subj=341613799826&aid=-1&oid=341613799826&id=648417739&fbid=402666767739 

One or two of the old houses accross the road was used as a stores.

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grahami
15 years ago
Sorry - been busy all weekend.

The Incline in the photo is "Inclen Fawr" - constructed in 1839 for Samuel Holland (Junior) to connect his quarry to the FR.

It was buried by the extension of the middle quarry "Doman Fawr" in the late 1890s onwards.

I'll post a map later.

Cheers

Grahami
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grahami
15 years ago
OS Map showing incline:
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There's also a larger scale drawing of the head of the incline in 1895 in "A Walk into the Slate Mountain" on the Oakeley page.

Cheers

Grahami
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grahami
15 years ago
The original photo is one of a pair obviously taken at the same time, here is a composite I made some time ago from copies of both.

There are some roofs on the left behind the wall - these are thought to be on the site of the original "Dinas Wharf" where Llechwedd sent its slates before it had its own incline.

At the top of the incline can be seen the massive bastion which supported a small Slab Mill and Smithy. The mill was driven by a water wheel, whose discharge point can be seen to the left of the "slot" into which the incline disappears. Hollands lower mill is just about off shot on the bastion to the right.

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Grahami
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grahami
15 years ago
This shot of the chapel at Rhiwbryfdir shows some details of the quarry on the mountainside behind it!

Most noticeable is Holland's Lower Mill on the right, and the slab mill at the head of Inclen Fawr on the left.

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Cheers

Grahami
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JohnnearCfon
15 years ago
We knew you would come up with the naswer, and as usual, loads more info too. Thanks Graham.
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