Vonny232
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10 years ago
Hi,

I stumbled across a 1970s photo of New Cooks Kitchen Shaft, South Crofty and the old Engine House is still in situ.

Has anyone got any info about it, and can tell me when and why it was presumably demolished?

See pictures here:
http://www.aditnow.co.uk/SuperSize/Cooks-Shaft-1972_98568/ 

http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/2214993.jpg 
Knocker
10 years ago
I'm pretty sure I'm right in saying that it was demolished in the mid 80's. The engine house was unusual in that it was mass concrete, the reason for this is because it was thrown up in a hurry in the 1920's. As a result of its construction it was structurally unsound (As is clearly visible in the photo), although the main reason for demolition would have been for the modernisation of cooks shaft when all works were centralised to cooks. The new North Winder was added and the headframe modified ro accept it, the new dry and offices were built and the shaf configuration was changed, all this nessecitated room around the headframe. (The engine house is right where the conveyor and skip access was to become located.
Roy Morton
10 years ago
They took a long time demolishing it, citing they knew nothing of the old winder cable that had been used as reinforcement in the concrete.
Strange though, as most people knew that that was the case.
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Trewillan
10 years ago
"Knocker" wrote:

I'm pretty sure I'm right in saying that it was demolished in the mid 80's. The engine house was unusual in that it was mass concrete, the reason for this is because it was thrown up in a hurry in the 1920's...



If it was built in a hurry, why did they bother to form arched windows? Just for the appearance?
Knocker
10 years ago
Now theres a question, not that it takes much to form an arched window in a mass concrete pour.
Knocker
10 years ago
It may well be that the windows came out of another engine house - bearing in mind the engine came from an existing engine house......
blue hematite
10 years ago

I know that when it was built Jim Tregoning, of Dolcoath Road was the timbering captain at South Crofty (as his father JJT had been before him). Jim's daughter Nancy used to say her father was working all hours on this engine house and never got paid any overtime. What he was actually doing I don't know, possibly responsible for the scaffolding and shuttering. But I don't think him not being paid overtime had anything to do with the arched lintels. Jim was a very conciencious and capable man, and a staunch Methodist. I used to like him a lot.
I have a photo of the gypsy caravan he built and put on Hayle Towans as a holiday home. If you saw that you would see that Jim had a sense of style.
As to the chimney cracking 60 years later, it might have been mundic and other sulphides in the gravel used in the mix (it was a mine after all), or could have been ground stability round the shaft collar, or it could have been the pH of the flue gases
Tony Blair
10 years ago
I would have thought the chance of them using nasties in the concrete was almost 100%
Knocker
10 years ago
the concrete would almost certainly have been mine waste with two main problems: - Mundic - where when the conrete gets wet, the water reacts with sulphides in the waste, creating weak sulphuric acid which eats the alkali cement, leaving just sand and aggregate - if you ever go up to Williams shaft, look at the boundary wall and you will see there is practically no cement left. The other issue is what is called Alkali Silica Reaction (Also known as concrete cancer) - which is more a problem with the cement itself - a lot of the cement that came out of Plymouth Cement Works in the 1950's/60's suffers with this, which is what has led to the premature replacement of structures like the Dunheved bridge and Marsh Mills interchange. With this the water mixes with silica in the cement, creating a silica gel, this puts an intense pressure on the concrete from within causing the concrete to split.
Old mass concrete like this also suffers problems in poor workmanshp - the concrete being insufficently tamped (especially before the days of vibrating pokers), poor shuttering, insufficent reinforcement and insufficeint cover on the reinforcement - Cement naturally protects reinforcing steel and prevents corrosion, however on the surface of concrete you have a carbonation front wich extends about 30mm into the concrete - it is caused by a reaction of the cement with carbon dioxide in the atmosphere - if the carbonation front reaches the reinforcemnt, the steel will corrode very quickly, blowing the concrete and accelerating the frther corrosion of the steel.
Peter Burgess
10 years ago
Thank you Knocker - this is very interesting.

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