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Hello!
I'm trying to research the area around a family cottage. The cottage is between Gweek and Seworgan in polglasse wood. A little North of it (still south of seworgan) is an old mining shaft. On some old maps I have looked at I have found the names combellack mine, south wendron mine and wheal lovel. I got excited as geographically it seemed to fit for east wheal lovell, but having looked at some pictures of this mine I'm assuming its not my chosen mine as its not in a forest. If you have any ideas on anything about my mine I'd love to know!
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"rachelf" wrote:

Hello!
I'm trying to research the area around a family cottage. The cottage is between Gweek and Seworgan and very near a small place called Merther Uny. A little North of it (still south of seworgan) is an old mining shaft. On some old maps I have looked at I have found the names combellack mine, south wendron mine and wheal lovel. I got excited as geographically it seemed to fit for east wheal lovell, but having looked at some pictures of this mine I'm assuming its not my chosen mine as its not in a forest. If you have any ideas on anything about my mine I'd love to know!



Welcome,

Im glad to see more people joining up with an interest in the local history!

Is the shaft capped or infilled etc?

If the location seems to fit bare in mind it is nearly 150 years since these places were operational so alot of places that were forest may not have been and vice-versa!

Here in gunnislake there were no forests during the mining era, but now the whole valley is one giant forest!

Alot changes over 150 years!
dave_the_cave
12 years ago
This looks like you describe Merther Uny - on 1907-8 cornwall old maps here is the link http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maptiles/m101040_170430_29350.png 

Sadly the image is cropped by the forum

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But there is also more old shafts to the north, west and south on this 1962-3 oldmaps - Again the link for the whole image
http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maptiles/m101324_170430_29350.png 


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Morlock
12 years ago
Do you have a Flashearth link for the shaft?
dave_the_cave
12 years ago
here is a flash earth link

http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=50.121008&lon=-5.215551&z=17.8&r=0&src=msl 

Although I guess you were not asking me
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Morlock
12 years ago
"dave_the_cave" wrote:

Although I guess you were not asking me



That will do. 😉 I was wondering about something a little east.
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http://www.mindat.org/maps.php?id=191291 
I think this corresponds with where a water wheel used to be. What we want to work out is if there would have been any houses there as well and if it would have been a very busy place. Are there any other tell-tale mine signs we should look out for when there?
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12 years ago
the shaft is stone all the way up and empty at the top I think. I found some older maps and its always been wooded. Thanks for the quick replies, this is all very helpful and exciting!
dave_the_cave
12 years ago
Hmm my guesses were miles away

South Wheal Lovell mine it is on aditnow http://www.aditnow.co.uk/mines/LOVELL-SOUTH-Mine/ 

oldmaps pre 1879 shows the mine in used http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maptiles/m100115_170546_29964.png 

But no airshaft until the 1907 oldmaps which shows the mine disused
http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maptiles/m101040_170546_29964.png 

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Roy Morton
12 years ago
I'm supposing this is the solitary shaft on the edge of Polglase wood?
If so I've checked all editions of the 6" maps and it appears on every one, but unfortunately no mention of a name. Hamilton Jenkin drew a blank too.

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"Roy Morton" wrote:

I'm supposing this is the solitary shaft on the edge of Polglase wood?
If so I've checked all editions of the 6" maps and it appears on every one, but unfortunately no mention of a name. Hamilton Jenkin drew a blank too.



Are these the annotated os maps hj did? Or are these different?

Aren't some shafts just a deep surface working and not connected to "anything"?
Minegeo
12 years ago
Dines suggests that this is South Lovell (page 262, Vol 1) "...Cunnack (1885-1908) places it in a wood near Ninnis...but the OS Map bears the name South Wendron Mine."

Engine Shaft - vertical to 12fm adit level and then on the underlie to the 12 fm level.

4 lodes worked in a very small way yeilding 81 ons of black tin from 1860-68.
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http://www.british-history.ac.uk/map.aspx?compid=55111 , which if I'm honest confused me by the number of shafts none of which correspond to ours if we compare maps! Would this have been the probable scale of it? We haven't explored out that way as I think the land is private but I haven't seen any suggestion of another shaft. What kind of area would a mine with 58 employees cover? Would all the shafts on our maps be included? Thanks so much for your answers as you see I'm a novice!
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12 years ago
I'm just taking a proper look at your 1962-3 map and the number of shafts and quarries is actually amazing!
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having looked at google earth I'm afraid I'm pretty sure the old shaft above ninnis is too high. If you look at the pre 1879 map the shaft is the circle to the left of the river in line with tresidder. You can see the stone buildings lower down the hill to the right of it. Sorry!
Minegeo
12 years ago
Here are the extracts from Dines (1956) that mention Ninnis:


South Lovell.-The exact position of this mine is not known. Cunnack (1885-1908) places it in a wood near Ninnis, half a mile S.W. of Seworgan, but the Ordnance map, at this place, bears the name South Wendron Mine. The plan (A.M. R 75 😎 shows a drainage adit extending from its portal 120 fms. N.E. and there changing direction to S.W. for 50 fms.; the latter part is called Combellack Adit. This suggests that the mine may be between Combellack Mine of the Wheal Lovell group and New Wheal Lovell (6-in. Corn. 76 N.E.), possibly in the rough ground east of Crowgey farm, the adit portal being in one of the valleys south of the farm. There is a small amount of development on four lodes, east of Combellack Adit, all coursing about E. 25° to 30° N. and underlying northwards. On the most southerly lode are Engine Shaft, 370 yds. E.N.E. of the adit portal, vertical to below Adit Level (12 fms.) and on the underlie to the 12-fm. Level, and Footway Shaft, 20 yds. E. of Engine Shaft, on the underlie to Adit Level only. Adit Level extends for 10 fms. N.E. and 35 fms. S.W. of Engine Shaft and the 12-fm. Level for 8 fms. N.E. and 35 fms. S.W. There is a block of stoping from surface to Adit Level for 20 fms. N.E. and 25 fms. S.W. of Engine Shaft and two tiny stopes on the 12-fm. Level. The next lode lies 15 fms. N. of the first and is opened up by crosscuts north from Adit Level at Engine Shaft and at 15 fms. W. of Engine Shaft, and by Perpendicular Shaft, 58 yds. W. of Engine Shaft. The only drive on this is Adit Level which extends 27 fms. N.E. of Perpendicular Shaft (to the crosscut from Engine Shaft) and 20 fms. S.W. At 12 fms. W. of Perpendicular Shaft a crosscut adit 25 fms. S. by W. joins Combellack Adit. From Adit Level 20 fms. N.E. of Perpendicular Shaft a crosscut 17 fms. N. by W. meets New Shaft on the third lode. This lode is nearly vertical and has been developed for 20 fms. N.E. of New Shaft at Adit Level and for 12 fms. S.W. at the 12-fm. Level. There is a stope from surface to Adit Level extending 22 fms. N.E. and 10 fms. S.W. of New Shaft and a small stope above the 12-fm. Level. The fourth or northern lode is proved in a crosscut 38 fms. N. of New Shaft at adit, but is only developed for 5 fms. N.E. In addition to a small yield from South Wheal Lovell in 1871, under the name Lovell Consols, the mine produced 81 tons of black tin from 1860 to 1868.



South Wendron.- Situated on the west side of the valley 1¾ miles E. by S. of Wendron (6-in. Corn. 76 N.E.) this mine is just south-east of Wheal Lovell. The plan (A.M. R 216D) shows Engine Shaft 20 yds. W. of the stream; its exact position cannot be located but it is believed to be 70 yds. N.E. of Ninnis. The shaft is an underlay 33° N. to the 40-fm. Level (below surface) and there are drives east at 20 fms., 25 fms., 30 fms., 31 fms. and 40 fms. from surface, none of which exceeds 6 fms. in length for the ore body is a pipe-like carbona of stanniferous granite, oval in section, measuring in plan 10 ft. by 20 to 60 ft.; it consists of cavernous quartz, chlorite, gilbertite, fluorspar and tourmaline with cassiterite, chalcopyrite and pyrite (Foster 1878a, p. 651). There was some opencast working to a depth of 5 fms. below surface and some very small stopes above the 25-fm. and 31-fm. levels and between the latter and the 40-fm. The only record of output is 7 tons of copper ore from 1875 to 1878.
dave_the_cave
12 years ago
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/map.aspx?compid=55111 , which if I'm honest confused me by the number of shafts none of which correspond to ours if we compare maps!



Still thinking about the other replies - but this website is awesome - wow the confusion - shaft city http://www.british-history.ac.uk/mapsheet.aspx?compid=55111&sheetid=1814&ox=2504&oy=572&zm=1&czm=1&x=296&y=73 
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Roy Morton
12 years ago
I used the HJ annotated maps first of all and then moved on to the OS 6" 1st edition 1877/78 survey, and 2nd edition 1907 - and 2nd edition 1907 re-print.

The sheet I was looking at was LXXVI NE (76NE) which includes Polglase wood and the 'lone' shaft I mentioned to the east of the woodland, Ninnis, Combellack mine and Wheal Lovell.
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12 years ago
these descriptions fit perfectly with our maps, mine(s) identified! I've also been looking at cornish census' and the earliest one 1941 for the immediate area (combellack, mertheruny, ninnis and tregunstis) shows a number of miners all under the age of 25 which I would guess suggests that tin mining was relatively new in that area, as in later census' they are a range of ages. I'd like to believe that the shaft that I initially started searching pre-dates the above mentioned mines (1861 to 1882) as it doesn't look that sophisticated and appears unmarked on the maps.
Roy Morton
12 years ago
If it's open I would be quite happy to scuttle down and take a look and snap a few photos 🙂
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