christwigg
9 years ago
For the last couple of years, I've become increasingly interested in the Jet mines of Cleveland and North Yorkshire.
Most texts will inform you that jet only comes from the cliffs around Whitby, but in reality many of the mines were inland.

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The occasional paragraph on the industry appears in literature, but tends to concentrate on the workshops in Whitby rather than the mining itself, which is virtually undocumented outside of papers by Parkin and Owen mentioned here :-
http://nmrs.org.uk/mines/coal/cleveland/jet.html 

Very little paper trail, no company records, no production figures, no abandonment plans etc etc.
I think its regarded by most as a cottage industry, undertaken part-time by small groups of ironstone miners in hard times. Many of the workings reflect this being irregular and only a few yards in length.

However as with most things, the more you look the more you find. In one area we've located something rather different, one large set of workings that we've so far surveyed to well over 2km and I suspect will easily be beyond 10km by the time we've finished (having pushed on and not found a conclusion in any direction yet)

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I suspect I may have found my "book" here, but there's probably years of work in surveys to be done at least, so don't expect to see it on the Amazon bestsellers list any time soon.

If anyone has ever come across any obscure references or explored and documented any workings in the past I would love to hear from them

(i'm thinking Tamarmole and AR could be candidates?)

Tamarmole
9 years ago
The only jet mine ever poked around in was Snotterdale which is well known.

The best source of info I found was the 1st series 25inch OS maps - that's how I picked up Roseberry Jet mine which appeared in the Ayton book.

The exciting thing about jet mines is that they fell under the radar - research wise you have a clean slate. If nothing else you guys have proved that jet mines were far more extensive than anyone suspected.

Sorry I can't be of more help.
christwigg
9 years ago
Thanks, i've been having an ask around just in case someone is sitting on a vast unpublished work on the subject.

The following Lidar image shows the potential extent of the place and why theres a lot of survey left.

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Tamarmole
9 years ago
Richard Pepper was interestedd in jet - if you haven't already done so it might be worth having a root through his papers.
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9 years ago
The only jet mines I'm familar with are the Ravenscar ones. The late Frank Rimington never managed to find documentary record of them AFAIK, though I don't know how thoroughly he went through Raven Hall's records. As regards extent, the southernmost workings aren't very extensive now, all passages ending in falls, but local rumour is that the part-flooded northern working goes all the way to Brickyard Quarry - have you been in?

Edit - just had another thought, you suggest ironstone miners turning to jet in bad times but what about alum quarrymen after the industry collapsed in the mid 19th century, after all they would be highly knowledgeable about the shale strata?
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christwigg
9 years ago
I've come across references to Ravenscar and know people who've visited, but i'm yet to visit myself with so many other sites still closer to home.

http://www.aditnow.co.uk/documents//Ravenscar-Jet.pdf 

I would say Alum workers would definitely be in the frame too, in fact the 1871 census returns which include Jet Miners at Hutton Lowcross point directly there.

John Duck (48) Robin Hoods Bay
1851 - Labourer - Peak Alum Works
1861 - Railway Labourer, Guis
1871 - Jet Miner Stump Cross, Guis

Christopher Baines (24) born Peak (Ravenscar Alum Works?)
1871 - Jet Miner Hutton

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9 years ago
That's interesting - so immediately on the closure of the alum works in 1862, the Raven Hall estate sought new tenants using jet as the chief selling point. Understandable when you consider that a large portion of the acreage they were wanting to let was covered in burnt shale and much ofthe rest was indifferent grazing land. The notice also suggests there were more mines than the two I know about, I might have to go and visit my parents this winter and scour the Tan Beck area!

BTW, the name Ravenscar is a 20th-century invention (for the abortive town plan), prior to that the village was just called Peak
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christwigg
9 years ago
I know Gavin was over there earlier in the year and took some photos, but I don't know exactly where he was.

Hopefully he will pass by in the next few days and share the photos.
Tamarmole
9 years ago
"christwigg" wrote:

I've come across references to Ravenscar and know people who've visited, but i'm yet to visit myself with so many other sites still closer to home.

http://www.aditnow.co.uk/documents//Ravenscar-Jet.pdf 

I would say Alum workers would definitely be in the frame too, in fact the 1871 census returns which include Jet Miners at Hutton Lowcross point directly there.

John Duck (48) Robin Hoods Bay
1851 - Labourer - Peak Alum Works
1861 - Railway Labourer, Guis
1871 - Jet Miner Stump Cross, Guis

Christopher Baines (24) born Peak (Ravenscar Alum Works?)
1871 - Jet Miner Hutton



Fascinating - the use of census data seems an interesting and productive way forward.

I assume you are finding concentrations of jet miners in places like Guisborough, Great Ayton, Great Broughton and Chop Yat?
Tamarmole
9 years ago
I take it you have seen this:

Bower J.A, Whitby jet and its manufacture, Journal of the Society of Arts, Vol. 22, 1874, pp. 80 - 87.

Whilst it concentrates on manufacture there is some good stuff about mining.

Available on Google Books:

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=QaQ9AQAAIAAJ&pg=PA82&dq=cleveland+jet+mining&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiQlM_RqabJAhUDVhoKHcEaBJAQ6AEIPjAG#v=onepage&q=cleveland%20jet%20mining&f=false 
christwigg
9 years ago
I've not dug into any great detail with the census in other areas yet, but from a quick glance at info on your old stomping ground of Great Ayton they are 9 listed

Edmondson John Head Married 28 Jet Miner Yorkshire Thornton Stewart
Williamson John Head Married 36 Jet Miner Yorkshire Bransdale
Appleton William Head Married 22 Jet Miner Yorkshire Romanby
Hardy Robert Son Unmarried 27 Jet miner Yorkshire Stokesley
Burton Joseph Head Married 34 Jet Miner Yorkshire Bilsdale
Mudd Edward Boarder Unmarried 22 Jet Miner Yorkshire Hutton Rudby
Yorke William Son Single 28 Miner - Jet Yorkshire Great Ayton
Joy James M Son Single 23 Miner - Jet Yorkshire Ingleby Greenhow
Sukling Fredrick Lodger unmarried 25 Jet Miner Not Known


So I would say their main profession, rather than them just filling time away from the ironstone as 5 others list that as their occupation.

Two being lodgers/borders and the original birth places of some suggest it was worth moving to the area for.
christwigg
9 years ago
"Tamarmole" wrote:

I take it you have seen this:
Bower J.A, Whitby jet and its manufacture, Journal of the Society of Arts, Vol. 22, 1874, pp. 80 - 87.



Yes thanks, got that one.
christwigg
9 years ago
"christwigg" wrote:

I've not dug into any great detail with the census in other areas yet, but from a quick glance at info on your old stomping ground of Great Ayton they are 9 listed



Even more interesting that 10 years later theres not a single Jet Miner in Great Ayton, but 112 Whinstone miners !

Burton and Mudd amongst them.
Jim MacPherson
9 years ago
Strangely I always assumed the name of the pub in Gt. Broughton was a clue.:lol:
christwigg
9 years ago
"Jim MacPherson" wrote:

Strangely I always assumed the name of the pub in Gt. Broughton was a clue.:lol:



I've done lots of valuable research in there, into both the Black Sheep and the Theakstons ;D

The sign is pretty misleading, a few coal miner types standing in front of a vast chasm in side of the Wainstones.
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Jim MacPherson
9 years ago
Both rare and valuable minerals, I've not been in that pub since Alf Raine "ran" it.

I vaguely recall some short piece about jet, perhaps on Countryfile, and I think it included a bit about how to determine the quality of jet but rubbing on emery cloth.

I also think there were active (i.e not just for tourist pennies) jet workshops in Whitby in the 1960's (as well as luminous glass ducks). Can I have a grey-haired emoticon?
christwigg
9 years ago
There is an old workshop at the Jet Heritage Centre
http://www.whitbyjet.co.uk/about-jet/victorian-workshop.html 

The Lucky Duck shop is also still going strong.
http://luckyducks.tcchold.com/ 
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9 years ago
Moldywarps Journals have some surveys of the smaller mines.
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christwigg
9 years ago
"PeteJ" wrote:

Moldywarps Journals have some surveys of the smaller mines.



Yes, blackshiver whos involved in the project is a Moldywarp, so i've got all those.

I suspect Aislaby from those journals, may no longer exist as it was in the working face of an active quarry in 2011.

http://nick-myurbex.blogspot.com/2011/09/whitby-jet-mine-first-of-many.html 
John Lawson
9 years ago
Keep at it Chris!
I can see another privately published book in the making!

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