Tamarmole
11 years ago
"Roy Morton" wrote:

Just came across this via some convoluted route. Very glad I found it.



:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:



Not so long ago I came across some pre WW1 footage of Crewe works on Youtube it included some really cracking shots of the internal 18" gauge tramway system.
spitfire
11 years ago
Excellent Roy, many thank's
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JohnnearCfon
9 years ago
1472???? I don't think so!!:oops::stupid:
skimble
9 years ago
"JohnnearCfon" wrote:

1472???? I don't think so!!:oops::stupid:



According to the NRM website it was initially numbered 1472, but this was soon changed to the more familiar 4472.

Edit: Just to add to the confusion, at the moment it's carrying 60103 on the smokebox door, 103 on one cab side and 502 on the other cab side. Have a look at:

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rufenig
9 years ago
"skimble" wrote:

"JohnnearCfon" wrote:


Edit: Just to add to the confusion, at the moment it's carrying 60103 on the smokebox door, 103 on one cab side and 502 on the other cab side.



That looks like something done for movie filming.
I can not believe anyone would just make a mistake with that engine! :lol:
rufenig
9 years ago
Wiki!
By this time it had been renumbered twice: under Edward Thompson's comprehensive renumbering scheme for the LNER, it became No. 502 in January 1946; but in May the same year, under an amendment to that plan, it become No. 103.[9] Following nationalisation of the railways on 1 January 1948, almost all of the LNER locomotive numbers were increased by 60000, and No. 103 duly became 60103 in December 1948.[12]
The National Railway Museum announced on 15 February 2011 that Flying Scotsman will be painted in LNER Wartime Black livery when it undergoes its steam tests and commissioning runs. The letters 'NE' appear on the sides of the tender, along with the number '103' on one side of the cab and '502' on the other – the numbers it was given under the LNER's renumbering system. Flying Scotsman will be repainted in its familiar-look Apple Green livery in the summer, but remained in black for the NRM's Flying Scotsman Preview Weekend which took place on 28–30 May 2011. Furthermore, during the National Railway Museum's 'railfest' event on 2–10 June 2012, Flying Scotsman was in attendance, being kept in front of Mallard in a siding, still in its Wartime Black livery.[42] A report on the restoration was published, in redacted form, on 7 March 2013.[43] On 23 January 2015, the NRM announced that as it will retain its smoke deflectors and double chimney and they wish to keep it as historically accurate as possible, Flying Scotsman will be painted in BR Green as No. 60103.[44]
tiger99
9 years ago
It is unfortunate that the paint colour and numbering have become highly political. It should be only apple green and 4472 if originality matters. No black or BR green, or any other number.
skimble
9 years ago
"tiger99" wrote:

It is unfortunate that the paint colour and numbering have become highly political. It should be only apple green and 4472 if originality matters. No black or BR green, or any other number.


... and no double chimney and smoke deflectors? Converted back to right hand drive?
Roy Morton
9 years ago
Apple Green and 4472 for me :thumbsup:
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exspelio
9 years ago
It was certainly green when Tony Marchington, who owned it then (bought from McAlpine IIRC), had it low-loaded up to the bleak showground at Hartington Moor in the early '90's, to stand beside the Iron Maiden, which he also owned, we had to lay a few yards of track in the middle of a field to park it on.
It took two low-loaders to get it there, one for the engine, and one for the tender, that's commitment!
Got some pics' somewhere, I'll see if I can sort them.
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legendrider
9 years ago
I recall a tale about an 'expert' criticising various aspects of 60163 Tornado as not being 'original and authentic'

Having listened patiently for a while, the Technical Director simply retorted "Well, go and build your own bloody engine then!" :thumbsup:

MARK


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JohnnearCfon
9 years ago
I wonder what happened to the second tender it had for a while? I wonder if it was scrapped or went elsewhere?
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9 years ago
"tiger99" wrote:

It is unfortunate that the paint colour and numbering have become highly political. It should be only apple green and 4472 if originality matters. No black or BR green, or any other number.



Shouldn't that be 1472 and North Eastern Railway colours?:devil:
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9 years ago
"JohnnearCfon" wrote:

I wonder what happened to the second tender it had for a while? I wonder if it was scrapped or went elsewhere?



'A second tender' was purchased with the engine by Alan Peglar and went with the engine to N. America in '69. Presumably it came back and should therefore still exist. I said second tender because something I read ages ago claimed there had been several second tenders but that they were not engine specific and that the one Alan Peglar had was not the one most frequently used by 4472.
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rhychydwr
9 years ago
Big write up with some fine photos in the Daily Mail Sarurday January 9, 2016 pp 24-25
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9 years ago
The second tender was sold to Jeremy Hoskin and is used as a second water carrying tender (as it was with Flying Scotsman) behind his A4 loco "Bittern".

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/24208-flying-scotsmans-second-tender/ 
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JohnnearCfon
9 years ago
Amazing all the knowledge on here or accessed by people on here.

Thanks.

I did wonder if it had got marooned in US. Weren't the Pullmans left out there, or did they return to UK too?
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9 years ago
The Observation car No 14 and Pullmans 'Isle of Thanet' and 'Lydia' were imported back into the uk in 2007 and as far as I know they are now based at the Swanage Railway.
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