legendrider
10 years ago
Is this one of the Minco borings?

Photograph:

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I had been wondering for a while now whether the drilling programme had intersected any accessible spaces!

MARK
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Pinzgauer
10 years ago
THAT could come as a bit of a suprise if you happened to be sat in the level having your snap at the time!!

"WTF" wouldn't quite do it justice. 😉
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John Lawson
10 years ago
Not sure which flat this is, but I have speculated that in the area of the Horse Whim flat, Minco intersected the workings, somewhere.
I based this on the fact that the depth of water in the horse whim shaft has changed over the last few months.
One obvious explanantion, that water is now going down to a lower level as a result of their corings.
We know from published results that they a possible ore-reserve in this general area.( not nearly enough to justify the wild optimism, that Minco put out,)
sparty_lea
10 years ago
Yes it's minco's last hole and it's in the flats off Hardshins Vein.

The water coming down their hole is putting water into some places that were previously dry and anyone going further in from here should take care on the climb up to the flat and the last bit of horse level in concrete before the climb.


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legendrider
10 years ago
Reminds me of a story recounted to me by the late Norman Turner. Whilst he was at the Ashanti Gold Mine in Ghana, a stope accidentally intersected an old bore-hole which was in the middle of a swamp, and threatened to overwhelm the pumps, come the wet season.

He ordered the workshop to fabricate a 'torpedo' filled with Bang. This was attached to threaded sections of pipe and pushed a good way up the borehole with an air leg.

The fuse was then lit, and after detonation it was found that the leak had been plugged permanently!

nice one Norman....

MARK


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Tony Blair
10 years ago
I assume they got the string stuck. I know some likely characters who would have a go at getting it out!
sparty_lea
10 years ago
Nope not stuck and it's gone now. Water was still pouring in last time I looked though

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legendrider
10 years ago
we need a Norman Torpedo :devil:

MARK
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Morlock
10 years ago
"legendrider" wrote:

we need a Norman Torpedo :devil:

MARK



A bit of turned dry wood well sledged in should do the trick.
legendrider
10 years ago
Helen - what was the hole diameter -(ish?)

I know a couple of retired cabinet-makers / carpenters who simply live to turn bits of wood down on the lathe and would leap at the chance to make a big beer barrel bung.

Unfortunately I'm not letting wood go anywhere near my Myford. Strictly metal I'm afraid!!

br MARK




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sparty_lea
10 years ago
Their cores are 47.6 mm so the hole should be 75.7mm
However the limestone is very vuggy there and a bit fractured so there's water coming out of holes and cracks all round about as well.




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sparty_lea
10 years ago
I did wonder about trying to get it into a pipe and direct it somewhere a bit less problematic.

The concrete lining in the level below that's getting wet is in pretty bad shape anyway and it's the only route into alot of interesting ground.
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legendrider
10 years ago
OK, 3" in Oldspeak. I'll see if any of my old codger friends can fettle a bung. Grove Rake, Harnisha, Caplecleugh, we don't need any more collapses or inundations!!!

br MARK
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Morlock
10 years ago
If the rock is a bit shattered where the drill broke out it may be better to make the bung very slightly undersized so it can be pushed up the hole as far as possible. Dry wood expansion and any grit in the waster should do the rest?
Not entirely sure sure how to hold it place 'til it seals.;D
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10 years ago
I wonder if a combination of a bung and some spray foam might do the trick?
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Antimosh
10 years ago
need a drain bung, and a bit of slotted pipe to screw it down.

like this
http://www.toollineuk.com/product.php/site/froogle/sn/BAI1963/google/ 
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RAMPAGE
10 years ago
as the pressure builds it'll just come out of the other feeders?
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Morlock
10 years ago
I wonder if that particular hole could be identified at the surface?
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10 years ago
unrolled oakum, sawdust and white lead paste rammed in.

ancient wooden boat tech but very effective and will last longer than any of us

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10 years ago
A retired mining engineer acquaintance of mine suggests:

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... an inverted inflatable packer -- this is basically an elongated balloon made of thick robust rubber with an rough outer surface (this is sometimes impregnated with something cheap like iron pyrites). Push it up the borehole clear of the bottom section -- because it would probably be fractured rock - and inflate (cylinder of compressed air) -- this would only be a temporary measure.

To make a more efficient seal I would have a tube going up the centre of the packer with it protruding some way beyond the packer. It would have a non-return valve on its end. Then I would pump up a slurry of fast drying underwater cement. Could be expensive. ...

Obviously the seal at the bottom needs to be strong enough to withstand the pressure of water in the borehole above it. How deep is the borehole? Is it open at surface?

Is the water going into the workings from the borehole going to cause a potential risk to the public? If that is the case then I am sure that whoever drilled the borehole, if they are still around, could be made to seal it!

In the coal mining industry every borehole had to be sealed on abandonment for reasons just like this -- even considerable thought had to be given when drilling through old workings to prove reserves below them. It was always a risk and aquifers had to be sealed off. I once had an aquifer seal fail on me and had to use an inflatable packer to stop a colliery being flooded!


He goes on to suggest consulting Les Riley (PDMHS?) who constructed the surge dam in Parc mine or Dave Carlisle.

Dave

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