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What are people's views on a mine trip to Scotland, and where do people think would be the best place to do one?

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17 years ago
Hi there; doubt I'll be able to make the conference, thanks for all the suggestions though, I'm hopefully going to get a chance to check-out the Wanlockhead area this summer.
There's also Cononish, which sounds great but is currently being worked, unless anyone knows if trips can be arrnaged, and of course the Strontian/Sròn an t-Sìtheinn area of Mines near Fort William/An Gearasdan.
I'm sure there are others...

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Kein geneis kanaf - Cain gnais canaf
Byt vndyd mwyhaf - byth onddyth moyav
Lliaws a bwyllaf - Líows o boylav
Ac a bryderaf - ac o boryddarav
Kyfarchaf y veird byt - covarcav yr vairth
Pryt nam dyweid - poryth na'm dowaith
Py gynheil y byt - Pa gonail y byth
Na syrch yn eissywyt - na soroc yn eishoyth
Neur byt bei syrchei - nour byth bai sorochai

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17 years ago
Tyndrum is your best bet. From what I can remember (and this is going back a bit), you park at the railway station then follow the footpath on the other side of the railway to the mines. Follow the workings up and you'll find New level, then MacDougall's level. Both open. The latter needs a little climbing to get into (there was a rope hanging down last time I was there but that was years ago). Both are straighforward. Wellies are enough for the water. There's much to see. New level has some great ore chutes, and MacDougalls a lovely old tub on rails. From MacDougall's (I think) it was possible to climb up into a higher level where there were lots of sticks of sweaty gelignite lying around. One situation in which we can all agree to look, but not collect! :lol: Enjoy. 🙂
merddinemrys
17 years ago
Hi there, sorry to be pedantic but I'm interested. Which station do you start at? Upper Tyndrum or Tyndrum Lower?
rhychydwr
17 years ago
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This looks like Irish, rather than Gaelic. Are you sure you want to go to Scotland. For an incomplete list of mines, have a look at:

http://www.sat.dundee.ac.uk/~arb/scotland/mines_biblio.html 


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Aye, is it Irish/Gaeilge, are you are speaker of either that or Scottish/Gaidhlig? Thanks for the website link;

And also thanks for all the info on Tyndrum
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Byt vndyd mwyhaf - byth onddyth moyav
Lliaws a bwyllaf - Líows o boylav
Ac a bryderaf - ac o boryddarav
Kyfarchaf y veird byt - covarcav yr vairth
Pryt nam dyweid - poryth na'm dowaith
Py gynheil y byt - Pa gonail y byth
Na syrch yn eissywyt - na soroc yn eishoyth
Neur byt bei syrchei - nour byth bai sorochai

tiger99
17 years ago
The appropriate station is Tyndrum Lower, on the Oban line. The mines are just after the station, on the left, as the train goes, so over the level crossing and turn right.

But if you want a fairly early start, best to go up on a morning train, or even the overnight sleeper, which will involve going to Upper Tyndrum on the Fort William line, and a walk down the hill.

If you want Cononish and the gold mine, it is a fairly long walk, across the level crossing at Tyndrum Lower, then turn left and follow the track around the hill.

merddinemrys
17 years ago
Thanks tiger99. Been looking for an excuse to catch the Sleeper!
LAP
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17 years ago
Thanks for the info, do you know whether or not it's still possible to get underground at Cononish?

regards

Kein geneis kanaf - Cain gnais canaf
Byt vndyd mwyhaf - byth onddyth moyav
Lliaws a bwyllaf - Líows o boylav
Ac a bryderaf - ac o boryddarav
Kyfarchaf y veird byt - covarcav yr vairth
Pryt nam dyweid - poryth na'm dowaith
Py gynheil y byt - Pa gonail y byth
Na syrch yn eissywyt - na soroc yn eishoyth
Neur byt bei syrchei - nour byth bai sorochai

tiger99
17 years ago
Sorry, no idea, but I think the mine may be working again, so the answer is likely to be no.

I am not sure of the status of the older workings near the recent Cononish adit, but there is likely to be sufficient in the main Tyndrum workings for a day's exploration.

By the way, I would expect there to be Radon gas, as there is known to be Uranium in the area, so it may be best not to linger too long underground. A few hours should be OK.

Alan
rhychydwr
17 years ago
"LAP" wrote:

Aye, is it Irish/Gaeilge, are you are speaker of either that or Scottish/Gaidhlig? Thanks for the website link;





I have lived in Wales for 32 years so I try to speak Welsh which I find has many words similar to Gaelic. I have visited the Emerald Isle many times [cf Caves of Co Cork and Mines of Ireland] so I am familiar with Irish/Gaeilge, but cannot speak it.
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LAP
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17 years ago
Ah, it's always great to hear of languages other than English being spoken in Britain.
I'm not exactly devoted enough to be speaking any Celtic Languages on a day to day basis, but I'm 'ok' at Welsh (Ye I know I was pretty useless about last summer time); but seem t have picked up more gaidhlig anyhow...

By the way, does anyone know of any Hebredian mines, I'd be expecially interested if there was some in the outer hebridees :D:D:D


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Kein geneis kanaf - Cain gnais canaf
Byt vndyd mwyhaf - byth onddyth moyav
Lliaws a bwyllaf - Líows o boylav
Ac a bryderaf - ac o boryddarav
Kyfarchaf y veird byt - covarcav yr vairth
Pryt nam dyweid - poryth na'm dowaith
Py gynheil y byt - Pa gonail y byth
Na syrch yn eissywyt - na soroc yn eishoyth
Neur byt bei syrchei - nour byth bai sorochai

rhychydwr
17 years ago
"LAP" wrote:

Ah, it's always great to hear of languages other than English being spoken in Britain.

By the way, does anyone know of any Hebredian mines, I'd be expecially interested if there was some in the outer hebridees :D:D:D


regards



I used to live in Cardigan, where quite a lot of Welsh was spoken. I now live in Treorchy where most people speak English, so I tend to speak more Rumanian than Welsh. Rumanian? Yes we are overrun with Rumanian gypsies. They pick your pocket when you talk to them. I had to laugh the other day, I substituted my wallet with a mouse trap. Never seen anybody more so fast.

No mines in the Hebrides, just a couple Bonnie Prince Charlie’s Caves. Plenty of mining on Shetland.

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LAP
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17 years ago
That's unfair, they should learn our languages, especially considering that Romanian is only really spoken in Romania.

Interesting about mining in Shetland, what sort of mining can I ask, google doesn't seem to come up with much.

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Kein geneis kanaf - Cain gnais canaf
Byt vndyd mwyhaf - byth onddyth moyav
Lliaws a bwyllaf - Líows o boylav
Ac a bryderaf - ac o boryddarav
Kyfarchaf y veird byt - covarcav yr vairth
Pryt nam dyweid - poryth na'm dowaith
Py gynheil y byt - Pa gonail y byth
Na syrch yn eissywyt - na soroc yn eishoyth
Neur byt bei syrchei - nour byth bai sorochai

sparty_lea
17 years ago
"LAP" wrote:


By the way, does anyone know of any Hebredian mines, I'd be expecially interested if there was some in the outer hebridees :D:D:D


regards


Dont know about the outer Hebrides but Raasay had iron mines during the First World War
see http://www.raasay.com/ironmine.html 

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sparty_lea
17 years ago
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Interesting about mining in Shetland, what sort of mining can I ask, google doesn't seem to come up with much.

best regards





There is a decent chromite prospect on Balta Sound that was mined at Hagdale Quarry (and another nearby whose name escapes me for the moment) in the 19th century.
http://www.aditnow.co.uk/mines/Hagdale-Chrome-Quarry/?gowhere=%2fmines%2f%3fpID%3d1%3fpid%3d1%26ac%3dA%26ad%3d50 

Sandlodge Mine, near Sandwick, worked from the 18th -early 20th century for copper and haematite.

There were also rumours flying round about platinum mining starting up on Unst a few years back but I dont think anything came of it.

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There is a feature called Church Cave on the island of Rona which loos very much like a very old copper working
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rhychydwr
17 years ago
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Interesting about mining in Shetland, what sort of mining can I ask, google doesn't seem to come up with much.

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*SHETLAND

“Copper mining started in Shetland in 1789 when Alexander Crieghton of Tynemouth and London discovered copper prospect at Sandlodge [or Sand Lodge] some 12 miles south of Lerwick, and at Garthsness some 20 miles south of Lerwick. In order to exploit these prospects he formed a partnership with Thomas Williams of Llanidan and Pascoe Grenfell of London.”

In 1790 Williams sent a party of Welsh miners to Shetland. Leaving in September with 12 tons of ore for Beaumaris. According to local tradition they discovered that a Shetland workman had been adding copper coins to samples being tested for their copper content in order to prolong his employment. Creighton continued his efforts to establish a mine in Shetland. At first he concentrated his attention on the prospect beside the house of John Bruce at Sandlodge, sending in 1793 a ship load of iron ore to Newcastle. In 1800 with a London flour miller, Robert Redman they formed the Shetland Mining Company. Creighton then broke with the company and tried to raise capital to work the Garthsness prospect. In 1800 Robert Redman sent a party of Cornish miners, led by Matthew Thomas as mine captain to start work. In 1802 Richard Trevithick supplied a steam engine and in June 1802 a smack loaded with copper ore left for Swansea. By July 1805 they were down to 34 fathoms and pumping out 1500 gallons of water a day. By October this had risen to 6000 a day and the shaft was 38 fathoms deep. By December at a total cost of £1050, the shaft was finished, being 40 fathoms deep. In August 1807 mining ceased when the last of the coal stocks ran out. Three levels had been driven from the foot of the shaft to intersect the lodes. In June 1808 John Fleming, a minister with an interest in minerals, found the mine full of water and the engine dismantled.

“The copper deposit at Sandlodge is a massive vein of sparry ankerite with some chalcopyrite, in Old Red Sandstone. At the surface the vein has been oxidise to hematite and malachite. Much, if not all of the ore deposits obtained from the mine seems to have come from these near surface deposits, but in the 1800s and later in the 1870s much money was wasted putting down shafts to reach a rich lode that probably does not exist. Again in the 1920s a company was floated to work the mine, but no mining seems to have taken place.” [based on] Flinn (1990) ibid.

Anderson, George and Peter Anderson 1863 Fourth edition. Guide to the Highlands and Western Islands of Scotland including Orkney and Zetland. Adam & Charles Black, Edinburgh. 824 copper ores.

Flinn, D. (1989) Travellers in a Byegone Shetland. Scottish Academic Press, Edinburgh. Not seen

Flinn, Derek. (1990). Richard Trevithick, Arthur Woolf and the Shetland mining Company. The Journal of the Trevithick Society (17) 23-30.
Flinn, Prof Derek is listed as Honorary Senior Fellow at Liverpool University’s Department of Earth & Ocean Sciences. He wrote the BGS memoir `Geology of Yell and some neighbouring island in Shetland’. He has also published a number of papers on Shetland mineralogy, and one or two on historical subjects. Googling, flinn shetland mines” produced 225 hits.

Haswell-Smith 337 copper ore in Copper Geo

Haswell-Smith 389-390 The sand in the Wick of Houble is magnetic and at Moo Wick at the tip of Lambhoga there is a residual deposit of kaolin. At Hesta Ness in the north-east the serpentine has been altered to antigorite and steatite. Here too there are bands of pure talc which was mined at one time.

Haswell-Smith 395 Haaf Gruney, near Uyea. a disused chromite mine.

Haswell-Smith 398 Unst, coarse-grained gneiss which is sometimes studded with garnets. The serpentine has veins of iron chromite. Unst has the only surviving talc mine in Britain.

Hibbert 33 Fair Isle, vein of copper ore 6” wide.

Hibbert 82 Fitfiel Head, vein of iron-mica 8 feet wide.

Hibbert 83-84 Garthsness a bed of iron-pyrites 8½ feet wide.

Hibbert 105-106 old shafts, worked by Welsh miners 1780s. Brown haematite, copper-pyrites, and sparry iron-stone were found. In the course of 2 years 470 tons of copper-ore were exported to Swansea.

Hibbert 162-164 Note IX Sandlodge Mines p 105 shafts 22 fathoms deep.

Hibbert 318-319 discovery of chromite of iron on Unst, used as a yellow pigment.

Rice, C M 2002 Metalliferous minerals 🇮🇳 Trewin, N H (ed) 2002 The Geology of Scotland. The Geological Society, London. Chromite on Unst 440. Sandlodge Mine 448.

Tindall 47 Unst, talc quarries, sepentine mines.

There. Now you know as much as I do.
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