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blackshiver
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11 years ago

Is anyone aware of a new fall between Smallcleugh and Capelcleugh somewhere around the Cowshill Cross Vein on the high level through trip? I heard today (second hand) but from an apparently reliable source, that a run in has occurred prior to the incline down to Bog Shaft and its sufficient enough to require a dig?

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burrower
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11 years ago

Went through in July and it was fine. But anything could have changed since then.

royfellows
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11 years ago

"burrower" wrote:
Went through in July and it was fine. But anything could have changed since then.

me in october

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RJV
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11 years ago

Well you sort of have to go round the side a bit on the Cowshill dig I think, the way on isn't entirely visible from the 2nd Sun Vein?

Was it someone who knows the mine JD? Can see how you could be getting a bit nervous of how far underground you are at that point if you're not certain of where you are and calling it a day at the sight of an obstruction...

blackshiver
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11 years ago

RJV if what I have heard is correct, its a significant recent blockage noted by someone well experienced with system. I have not talked to this source personally, but a good friend of mine was advised (today) that the route was impassible and the problem was between Gypsum Corner and the start of the incline down to the Bog Shaft area. It would be nice to have positive confirmation from a second source before we start thinking about sorting it out.

Mr Mike
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11 years ago

I wonder if one of the tight bits has pinched in, or a fall in the same place that we put the wood work in 2008.

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christwigg
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11 years ago

Yes, definitely need confirmation before any plans are formed.

Went off half-cocked last year and dragged loads of equipment to the Scaleburn Horse Whim, only to find the collapsed dig 'wasnt' 😞

royfellows
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11 years ago

"Mr Mike" wrote:
I wonder if one of the tight bits has pinched in, or a fall in the same place that we put the wood work in 2008.

Its probably the bit beyond that which we didn't consider important at the time. You know, where there is a hole above in arching.

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Mr Mike
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11 years ago

Ditto.

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gNick
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11 years ago

#10

I'll be up on Sunday, as ever, so might do a quick jog down to inspect as a break from digging.

Any futher detail as to where between Gypsum Corner and the start of the incline? Plenty of likely problem places along there!

Don't look so embarrassed, it's a family trait...

blackshiver
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11 years ago

#11

Not sure, but as the guy's have said, there are plenty of places it "could" happen and it should be pretty obvious if it has!
I'll be talking to people tonight and see if I can get more info for you.

John Lawson
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11 years ago

#12

Having seen how easy is it is to 'lose' sections of this mine, and I am referring to Longcleugh Second Sun Vein and the associated workings of Longcleugh Vein.
I feel one of the most important functions of this forum is to post details of these falls as they happen, so that remedial action can be attempted.
Perhaps if this site had existed when the blockage took place on Longcleugh Vein and Smallcleugh Sun Vein then the workings referred to in my introduction would still be accessible.

PeteJ
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11 years ago

#13

Planning a visit on Sunday

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gNick
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11 years ago

#14

All of you good people who were preparing to gird your loins for an emergency dig can stand down. 😉

I went down all the way to the very ends, although not beyond Bog Shaft, and there was nothing more than a few flakes of shale anywhere on Smallcleugh Horse Level or the incline. The ladderway on down looked OK as well.

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John Lawson
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11 years ago

#15

Well done underground guide, you have done all the Nenthead fans a good turn!

blackshiver
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11 years ago

#16

That's good news! Thanks for taking the time to check. I will feed this back to my source. He will no doubt be talking to the initiator, who is a apparently a well known, armchair Nenthead expert, about ruining his through trip at short notice for absolutely no reason. A red face is in order.

gNick
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11 years ago

#17

No problem with having a check, better to catch things early if possible so we have some chance of dealing with them and of course Smallcleugh is my shed!

A question from my perambulations today:-
Not having done the through trip (yet) are there 2 ways down into Capelcleugh from the sublevel below Smallcleugh? There was the ladderway with ropes and further along was another heavily calcified ladderway at a bit of an angle.

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burrower
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11 years ago

#18

are wires getting crossed here? It seems like the double calcited ladder is being mentioned on the sub-level in smallcleugh which is not the same through trip as bog shaft connection to caplecleugh!

John Lawson
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11 years ago

#19

As I understand it from the plan, what you are looking at is the man way and the seperate hopper.
The original way down, pre SRT was via the calcited ladders but I think over the years this way down has become a little challenging.
So the hopperway(timbers long gone), is used a the preferred safer way.

burrower
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11 years ago

#20

forget my last comment- I should read the tread correctly