Vanoord
18 years ago
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That's a long, long way to carry the drill :ohmygod:



It's not actually, it's well less than an hour's walk up the hillside from the car. A bit height gain tho. It's quite similar to, um, going to wrysgan.



I sit corrected 😉



Depends where you park the MEVOD, I reckon 😉
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"Vanoord" wrote:

Depends where you park the MEVOD, I reckon ;)



Well, if you ask McAlpines nicely you can drive straight to the top of the Floor 5 tip (there is a road up there, I'm not suggesting driving up the side of the tip, Jagman(c) styley). That would save you about 2/5 of the climb I should think.
Vanoord
18 years ago
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"Vanoord" wrote:

Depends where you park the MEVOD, I reckon ;)



Well, if you ask McAlpines nicely you can drive straight to the top of the Floor 5 tip (there is a road up there, I'm not suggesting driving up the side of the tip, Jagman(c) styley). That would save you about 2/5 of the climb I should think.



It's a get in from the Oakeley side, not the top of the Cwm tips then?
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"Vanoord" wrote:

"'The' Miles" wrote:

"Vanoord" wrote:

Depends where you park the MEVOD, I reckon ;)



Well, if you ask McAlpines nicely you can drive straight to the top of the Floor 5 tip (there is a road up there, I'm not suggesting driving up the side of the tip, Jagman(c) styley). That would save you about 2/5 of the climb I should think.



It's a get in from the Oakeley side, not the top of the Cwm tips then?



oh ay. you know the zig-zag steps that run up the side of the inclide? Very prominant landmark in ffestiniog:

http://www.mine-explorer.co.uk/view_picture.asp?id=6591 

You can park right at the bottom of those steps. You go up them and at the top you're on floor 5. A further set of steps goes up and somewhere up there is the floor 11 adit. You'd know it's the right one as it has the strange wooden props just inside.
Vanoord
18 years ago
"'The' Miles" wrote:

You can park right at the bottom of those steps. You go up them and at the top you're on floor 5. A further set of steps goes up and somewhere up there is the floor 11 adit. You'd know it's the right one as it has the strange wooden props just inside.



That's one for a nice sunny afternoon then, a bit of ambling about with a headtorch in a pocket. Put me down for that trip!

Hmmmm, I wonder how busy swmbo will be over the weekend, seeing as she's second on call... :confused:
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"Vanoord" wrote:

"'The' Miles" wrote:

You can park right at the bottom of those steps. You go up them and at the top you're on floor 5. A further set of steps goes up and somewhere up there is the floor 11 adit. You'd know it's the right one as it has the strange wooden props just inside.



That's one for a nice sunny afternoon then, a bit of ambling about with a headtorch in a pocket. Put me down for that trip!

Hmmmm, I wonder how busy swmbo will be over the weekend, seeing as she's second on call... :confused:



Don't forget its mothers day on Sunday, so you might have to spend it with your mothers.
Vanoord
18 years ago
"'The' Miles" wrote:

Don't forget its mothers day on Sunday, so you might have to spend it with your mothers.



Erm, I only have the one mother! :confused:
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Caves anyone?
In the north slate was sometimes extracted in chambers known as caves. These caves typically started off as cuttings, which were gradually worked into the hillside. No, there not the same as a chamber being worked to open they were a chamber being worked in.
http://www.mine-explorer.co.uk/view_picture_hires.asp?id=5434 

A good cave at rydal is on the link.
What I am wondering is if there are any similar workings in wales?
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Anyone know what the biggest mine is in terms of how many chambers it has? 😉
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18 years ago
Depends on what you consider a chamber to be. Origionally there were many chambers in many places. Over a period of time they work through and connect to the upper one, so, what was at one time a series of maybe up to 14 chambers, this can now be considered as 1.
I would imagine that Oakeley had the most chambers, considering their original numbering system.
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How many does Cwmorthin have?
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Kyfarchaf y veird byt - covarcav yr vairth
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Py gynheil y byt - Pa gonail y byth
Na syrch yn eissywyt - na soroc yn eishoyth
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Vanoord
18 years ago
"LAP" wrote:

How many does Cwmorthin have?
cheers 🙂



Not as many as Oakeley 😉
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I'd like to do a proper look around Rhosydd, but haven't got a map, nor any info on what's the best route or whatever, so can someone give me some clues?? 😉
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Ac a bryderaf - ac o boryddarav
Kyfarchaf y veird byt - covarcav yr vairth
Pryt nam dyweid - poryth na'm dowaith
Py gynheil y byt - Pa gonail y byth
Na syrch yn eissywyt - na soroc yn eishoyth
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JohnnearCfon
18 years ago
There are surface plans, underground plans, underground cross sections plus photos and a full write up in the Rhosydd book by Lewis & Denton. I know the original is long out of print, but seem to remeber it was republished. Also have seen it sometimes on ebay.
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Thanks, I saw it on ebay but some time ago, it's listed on amazon.co.uk.
I know that number 9 adit goes directly into the workings, with various trials on a thinner slate vein on either side, with picadilly curcus at the terminus. I know that from here there is an incline in both directions to the floors above, which you can use to gain the open pit or Twll as they're locally known, with various chambers coming off the bottom of this. Is there a simple way of getting from Picadilly curcps to thr twll?
Thanks for book info...
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Kyfarchaf y veird byt - covarcav yr vairth
Pryt nam dyweid - poryth na'm dowaith
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18 years ago
The Rhosydd plan is fairly common, but the place is in Such a state, the plan isnt much use.
I will upload one, so keep your eyes open for it....
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Cheers!
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Byt vndyd mwyhaf - byth onddyth moyav
Lliaws a bwyllaf - Líows o boylav
Ac a bryderaf - ac o boryddarav
Kyfarchaf y veird byt - covarcav yr vairth
Pryt nam dyweid - poryth na'm dowaith
Py gynheil y byt - Pa gonail y byth
Na syrch yn eissywyt - na soroc yn eishoyth
Neur byt bei syrchei - nour byth bai sorochai

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I only been along no 9 adit, never into the mine but remember seeing some chambers on either side. I think I've found where it is, and I remember at the top of one of them there was some kind of window, whether this is of any relevance or not I've no idea!
At some distance along no9, perhaps 4/5 of the way to piccadilly circus, there is a point with one chamber on the right, with a small trial in the rear, and two chambers on the left. The opening is in one of these chambers. 😉
ps - does anyone know of any wagons inside rhosydd?
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Lliaws a bwyllaf - Líows o boylav
Ac a bryderaf - ac o boryddarav
Kyfarchaf y veird byt - covarcav yr vairth
Pryt nam dyweid - poryth na'm dowaith
Py gynheil y byt - Pa gonail y byth
Na syrch yn eissywyt - na soroc yn eishoyth
Neur byt bei syrchei - nour byth bai sorochai

grahami
18 years ago
Hi Everyone

For the record, Croesor was acquired by the Ffestiniog Slate Company in the early 1970's with a view to working it then. The pumps were still on, electric to the head of and down the main incline and lights in the chambers. Planning applications failed, however, on both access and tipping, though most of the latter could have been underground. A similar application for Rhosydd failed for the same reasons. After the failure of the application, Croesor was stripped out, the incline winches, mill roof beams etc. went to Gloddfa Ganol and the site was (presumeably) sold off again.

Regarding the ownership business. I'll quote myself (!):
in 1970 the Oakeley Quarries as such were closed and their deep underground workings scrapped and allowed to flood up to the drainage levels. The site was sold to Glyn Williams, a local coal merchant, haulage and plant hire firm owner. He continued the open workings of the old quarry as the Ffestiniog Slate Company, retaining sections of the underground workings above the flood waters for special quality slate and as reserves of rock. This activity took place principally in the Lower Quarry, although roads were constructed throughout the site to enable modern tracked vehicles and lorries to reach all parts of the site where there might be workable slate and for maintenance purposes. For a while the Upper and Middle quarries languished, but soon afterwards the old Middle Quarry slab producing mill was put into service for architectural and slab work by Wil Roberts, Glyn Williams’ son in law, and by 1974 this formed the nucleus of the new Gloddfa Ganol company, named after the welsh for Middle Quarry. As trade developed other slate quarries were taken over and a trading organization was set up as The Ffestiniog Slate Group.
Gloddfa Ganol, as well as being a productive member of the group, was intended from the start to tap the tourist trade and the increasing interest in our industrial past. It’s formal title was Gloddfa Ganol – Ffestiniog Mountain Tourist Centre. From 1974 until the 1990’s working there continued in parallel with tourism, but for a number of reasons – recession being a major contributing factor – the whole of the Ffestiniog Slate Group of companies was bought up by McAlpines who had been working the Penrhyn Quarry at Bethesda since the late 1960’s. They closed down the tourist side of the business and proceeded to radically re-organise the open workings and production methods in line with their long experience at Penrhyn, introducing modern geological surveys, Health & Safety analyses and other large scale methods of working."

For people who like floor heights I've put a list of oakeley/cwmorthin's on Miles' site.

More answers to queries when I get a mo.

Grahami

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grahami
18 years ago
Yes - Point of Ayr does go out to sea - quite a way in fact. I've got a plan somewhere that was part of an article I read. They had a beautiful Worsley-Mesnes Steam winder worked by compressed air when I visited it in the 1980's with a view to preserving it at Astley Green. It was lying in bits near Wrexham , last I heard.
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