Sheep Pasture Incline -Disused Quarry at Side of Incline with Crane (photo)

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AR
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12 years ago

I've had a query forwarded onto me from Derbyshire County Council relating to the tripod crane in the quarry alongside Sheep Pasture Incline asking whether it is of particular historical significance. AFAIK these used to be a relatively common piece of quarry kit but I'm not sure how many still exist. I think there's one been preserved by Cheshire CC in Tegg's Nose quarry above Macclesfield, but do we know of any others still in existence?

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owd git
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12 years ago

there used to be a similar rig on the warf shed @ cromford Adam, would 'the Arkwright soc' have any ideas? a neighbour is a manager so I'll ask him.
Ric'.

exspelio
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12 years ago

The main centre pole of a similar crane has been restored at Bugsworth Basin on the Peak Forest Canal, though the rest has gone, there are 'photos of it complete.
I think the railway and the canal where built by the same company originally?

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simonrail
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12 years ago

This crane has been looked at in the past regarding preservation but there were problems about owership and access.
It's rare, it's old, it's neglected, it's alongside a public path and it's getting frail. It needs preservation and conservation before it collapses and gets lost for ever.

Yes, I'll have it - what is it?

ICLOK
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12 years ago

Took the words out of my mouth Simon... It is nice because it is still in the small quarry it served that were such a feature of the CHPR.... :thumbup:

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ICLOK
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12 years ago

As can be seen the timber work is already beyond help in places!!! I was certainly in tact in the 90s.
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AR
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12 years ago

Thanks for the responses everyone, my gut feeling was that this type of crane was once common in quarries but has rarely survived (metal parts scrapped or re-used, likewise timbers recycled or rotted on site). The Teggs Nose example is steel so I'll get back to DCC and suggest this example needs to be preserved. I'm not sure about how much of the timberwork is redeemable but I was intending to go over to Barrel Edge over Xmas looking for the bole site so I can go and have a look at the crane while I'm in the area.

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exspelio
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12 years ago

Timber is easier to replace than the metalwork as long as there is enough of it remaining to get a good idea of dimensions.

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AR
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12 years ago

Pretty much my feelings on it - the crane needs to be conserved in situ, if some of the original timber can be retained that's a plus point, but if not, that's not the end of the world as long as the form is retained.

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exspelio
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12 years ago

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With you on this AR, needs to be restored and retained in its original environment, if the DCC is involved the issues offered by simonrail and ICLOK can be resolved, I'm sure.

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Vanoord
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12 years ago

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My suspicion would be that it's not of intrinsic historic significance by the definition that only exemplary objects would be considered to be so; but that it is of significance because it's a rare survivor of something once commonly found.

I very much doubt that replacing the timbers would be much of a crime, particularly if it were to ensure the crane's survival. Furthermore, I don't think that replacement of the timbers would be a particular detriment to its historic significance - anything like this containing a lot of timber is likely to have had most of it replaced over time, so there's little difference with replacing timbers now compared to doing so when it was in use.

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owd git
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12 years ago

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"AR" wrote:
Pretty much my feelings on it - the crane needs to be conserved in situ, if some of the original timber can be retained that's a plus point, but if not, that's not the end of the world as long as the form is retained.

You know a local woodsmith and willing conserver of stuff, material cost and a small renumeration would be nice, if offered. 😞
O. G.

AR
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12 years ago

#13

The person at DCC who contacted me is quite keen on seeing something done with the crane, and I have said (with my PDMHS hat on) that I don't see a problem with replacing all the timbers if required - like Vanoord, I take the line that we'd only be doing what would have been done when it was in use. I'll wait and see if there's movement on this but if help is required, I'll let people know....

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bradders2710
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11 years ago

#14

I don`t remember a crane similar to that one at teggs nose. The place was almost our second home from the late 40s to mid 50s. The only crane I remember being there was the one mounted on a length of railway track (so the crane could be moved from overlooking the quarry hole for lifting stone out, to a `parked` position well away from the edge).

Thrutch
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11 years ago

#15

Thinking about the CHPR and related quarry and mining historical items are there any plans to protect, preserve, even display in a suitable place the Wagon Boilers that can be seen in the vicinity of the old track bed?