royfellows
8 years ago
Sanyo Panasonic have available a genuine 4000 mAh Li Ion cell which they describe as 4250 mAh, actually tested at 4050 by FastTech.

Beware, it is slightly larger than the standard 18650 (18 X 65mm) at 20 X 70 mm therefore its unlikely to fit most torches etc.

I continue to use standard 18650, issues relate to the cases available, the extra length isn't the problem, it the slightly larger diameter. But watch this space as the saying goes.

http://lygte-info.dk/review/batteries2012/Sanyo%20NCR20700B%204000mAh%20 (Red)%20UK.html


My avatar is a poor likeness.
ebgb
  • ebgb
  • 50.2% (Neutral)
  • Newbie
8 years ago
"royfellows" wrote:

Sanyo Panasonic have available a genuine 4000 mAh Li Ion cell which they describe as 4250 mAh, actually tested at 4050 by FastTech.

Beware, it is slightly larger than the standard 18650 (18 X 65mm) at 20 X 70 mm therefore its unlikely to fit most torches etc.




should it not be called a 20700 then!
royfellows
8 years ago
Its called the Sanyo NCR20700 so you are correct, and here is the data sheet:
https://www.imrbatteries.com/content/sanyo_ncr20700b.pdf 

EDIT
I should have said, sorry. But still easy for people to 'think' they are 18650s and find, "its different, it wont fit"

I am actually experimenting with them, not really much advantage with existing products, but could just be something on the back burner somewhere.
;)
My avatar is a poor likeness.
NewStuff
8 years ago
There's also 21700's as well, with ICR chemistry for the really high discharge that bat-cookers can use. Vaping seems to be pushing these into mainstream availability.


Searching for the ever elusive Underground Titty Bar.

DDDWH CC
royfellows
8 years ago
I am aware but only use Sanyo Panasonic. The Chinese are producing cells 32650 but doubt the claimed capacities, also almost twice the diameter of an 18650, so may as well just double row and use reputable cells. Of course, Li Ion can be produced in any size and shape.

Interesting comment about the vaping, I actually know what this is now I have looked it up. Not my world but if its pushing technology its good for the rest of us. I always thought electric cars and home power banks were the driving force, pun unintentional.


My avatar is a poor likeness.
pwhole
  • pwhole
  • 50.2% (Neutral)
  • Newbie
8 years ago
You'd sit down for a month at least...;)
Vanoord
8 years ago
"ebgb" wrote:



should it not be called a 20700 then!



Yes, but...

The new size of battery that Tesla is building for their cars is 70mm x 21mm and called 2170 rather than 21700.

Odd that this is so close in size, but not the same - particularly given that Tesla co-developed the 2170 with Panasonic.

The 2170 has a capacity of 5,570mAh to 6,000mAh, apparently! 😮
Hello again darkness, my old friend...
royfellows
8 years ago
"Vanoord" wrote:

"ebgb" wrote:



should it not be called a 20700 then!



Yes, but...

The new size of battery that Tesla is building for their cars is 70mm x 21mm and called 2170 rather than 21700.

Odd that this is so close in size, but not the same - particularly given that Tesla co-developed the 2170 with Panasonic.

The 2170 has a capacity of 5,570mAh to 6,000mAh, apparently! :o



I didn't know about this. It clearly demonstrates the need to keep up with new technology as it develops.

My avatar is a poor likeness.
Graigfawr
8 years ago
"NewStuff" wrote:

There's also 21700's as well, with ICR chemistry for the really high discharge that bat-cookers can use. Vaping seems to be pushing these into mainstream availability.



Interesting news about vaping driving development of certain batteries.

Caving lights have always been far too small a niche market for battery manufacturers to produce dedicated products, so caving lights have always had to use whatever batteries are commercially available.

Remember 4.5 volt flat pack batteries, as used in the original Petzl Zoom and a number of pre-Li-ion caving lights? This battery was mainly produced for cycle lights: its use in walkers' headlights and caving lights was a reaction to its prior availability.

The stainless steel nicad cells (actually nickel-iron but they were always termed nicads) that were, in the early and mid 1980s, used to make high capacity (long lasing, low output) caving lights by dropping them in pairs in parallel into old Oldham and Exide 'R-type' battery cases were ex-MOD tank starting batteries (larger numbers in series). It was mere happenstance that two of their sizes exactly fitted mining battery cases.

Excluding belt-mounted carbide generators, the first lights developed specifically for caving (as opposed to cavers using mining lights), and produced in commercial quantities (as oppose to tiny batches and one-offs) was the lead-acid FX2, developed in about 1982-83. It was the availability of Li-ion batteries, LEDs, etc, that resulted in the later caving light revolution.

And what a revolution it was - after changing to a Fellows light, I could never go back to older lights - they seemed like groping around with a candle in a jam jar in comparison.

So what cavers need is for major mainstream uses for batteries (and LEDs) to continue to drive improvements, resulting in batteries that are, merely coincidentally, of high capacity and useful size for our very niche use. Oh, and for Roy to continue to combine them into superb cost-efficient lights.
royfellows
8 years ago
I have delivery of some 20700 cells and am currently evaluating them relative to a new super bat cooker which I have been testing on a high capacity belt pack.

Below, is currently available state of the art.

🔗112816[linkphoto]112816[/linkphoto][/link]

Left to right, Sanyo 18650 3500 mAh, Panasonic 18650 2600 mAh high discharge (20 amps max), Sanyo 20700 4250 mAh 15 amp max discharge.

There is as mentioned a 2170 in production by Tesla working with Sanyo Panasonic, some info here:
https://evannex.com/blogs/news/tesla-s-new-2170-cell-packs-more-power 

Although a small producer, I like like to be at the forefront of technology. My goal has always been to produce smaller, lighter high powered lamps and the SAR2 was a successful attempt to run a real bat cooker off a small helmet mount power bank and utilised the Panasonic cells shown above.
Technology moves on an now I am combining 3 series cells to drive a new lamp I have called the X12. Another possible development may be a return to low voltage (single or parallel cells) in the form of a self contained lamp of high power running on a single cell.

Diving possibilities occur as removal of the connecting cable removes the main source of water ingress, and the new cells have a capacity and discharge capability to support this utilising simple an reliable linear drivers.


My avatar is a poor likeness.

Disclaimer: Mine exploring can be quite dangerous, but then again it can be alright, it all depends on the weather. Please read the proper disclaimer.
© 2005 to 2023 AditNow.co.uk

Dedicated to the memory of Freda Lowe, who believed this was worth saving...