royfellows
7 years ago
Some good news, I am advised that FastTech HK are shipping Li Ion once again, but overland which is up to 60 days!
I have ordered a batch of the Tesla 2070 cells as I still have 4 Lynx deep finned headset shells in stock as used in the X12.
However, it is looking more and more like the last of the big bat cookers.

I am experimenting with the Cree XHP series emitters as a possible route to a Scorpion bat cooker, but results so far are disappointing.

The XHP 70 is out of the equation as its impossible to focus a reasonably tight beam in a headlamp sized reflector. The XHP 35 is a possibility but 3 series would require a 36 volts boost. The XHP 50 is available in a 6 volt configuration which has possibilities for running 3 in series from a boost circuit. Issue is obtainable beam pattern which is poor from a usable reflector, I would need 2 or 3.

Looking at figures they do not give appreciably more bang for bucks over the others. They are quad die by way, Cree seem to be following the current trend in being economical on facts they dont want you to know. The wild card is that output calculated from the data sheet is minimum luminous flux, but they do quote on their website a 'magic' figure of about 2600 lumens, which the Chinese seller have not been slow to quote. This against the data sheet calculated minimum of about 2200.

As far as my lamps go, dropping past design of matching serial LEDs to input voltage using a buck driver would mean a lot of testing before I took anything to the bank.

The redesign of the Scorpion EX is looking more hopeful with the new and to be rebranded model using a plug free cable to a watertight 2 cell aluminium battery case. I have had a skeleton unit immersed at 8 feet for many hours. One thing about the Scorpion is that it sure is waterproof, bar water getting up the cable from the plug. 2 hours at 8 feet produced a single droplet from the cable. One with sealed cable was dry inside after 12 hours.
They are a really good lamp. A customer recently trashed a Lynx Basic by accidentally driving a Land Rover over it. I think a Scorpion with its square box shape would have survived, but I would not encourage anyone to experiment in that direction.
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royfellows
7 years ago
The Scorpion TGX

This is posted exclusively to aditnow for the lamp buffs as the lamp is still undergoing testing and evaluation as at this time is not in production. So far its showing great promise.

A great deal of thought has gone into this not to mention the time sourcing components, this is why its been on the burner for so long.

I have for some time been aware of the requirements of cavers, especially those who go to extremes and often purchase the expensive Scurion Dive model so as to feel confident that they have a lamp which will stand arduous conditions.
I have tested my regular lamps at a depth of 8 feet which of course exceeds the IP 67 rating and found that about 1 cc of water will enter by passing up inside the cable after an immersion time of about 2 hours. I have concluded that increased waterproof integrity is a prerequisite for any lamp designed for extreme use. This was the thinking behind this project and has been achieved by the elimination of the connecting plug between battery and lamp.

I have looked at other lamps and don’t feel happy with the designs of battery cases that open up for recharging. The off the shelf component I use for my battery case would run the risk of gasket displacement, I have therefore designed it with a removable plug to give access to a jackplug socket, the plug is rated to 10 BAR and only requires finger tightening.

Obviously with a lamp of this design there are two potential issues. One is the risk of accidental switch on as described above, the other is the standby current drain depleting the batteries.
These have been addressed as described later.

I have taken a lot of input from my use of the Imolent DX80 rechargeable torch. The lockdown feature from the single operating button has proved unreliable with the torch coming on inside its case and burning a hole through it. Not good enough. I have therefore opted for a two button design

Designed as a waterproof to IP68 5 metres and impact resistant lamp, possibly suitable for diving with higher rated buttons (expensive!), but as yet untested. The lamp has been tested to a depth of 8 feet for days, this is the best I can do with facilities available. All lamps of this type will be tested in this way before final assembly. It has been deliberately designed for the extreme caving market and is engineered to take hard use and abuse.

In line with the lamps tough assignment its fitted with 4mm laminated glass.

Key features:
Lockdown by separately controlled CMOS safety lock, draws approx 16 uA (16 millionths) amp on standby.

Permanent cell connection, no plug to allow water to pass up inside the cable.

4mm Laminated Glass

IP 68 5 metre immersion extended control buttons, 8 Newtons pressure, resistant against mud and accidental activation

Cell charging plug 10 BAR pressure rated.

GoPro mounted with full GoPro compatibility

Available in three types. TGX (standard) Tight spot beam and flood, power divided equally, TGX-B twin beams and low level roomlights, TGX-F bare flood emitters to suit some cavers.

Max output 1800 lumens.

Simple push button operation

Three easy programs.
Quick touch #1 On - walk mode, middle, and max.
Longer touch #2, On - the flashes for those who like them.
10 sec press #3, On - 10 different brightness modes starting with a low mode up to maximum.
Battery level indicator acts as pilot light. Green, amber, red, and flashing red.
Additional blue strip ‘nightrider’ battery indicator on power up
Weight 180 grams.

Description
The lamp utilises an all in one cable without a plug that would allow water to get inside the lamp by getting up inside the cable, and a sealed battery box. The 2 X 18650 serial Li Ion cells charge by removal of a 10 BAR rated plug to expose a standard 2.1 mm jack plug socket. Spare plug supplied with each lamp. The charger for this lamp has a jack plug rather then the usual XT 60.

The lamp utilises a soft switching design governed by a CMOS controlled safety lock. As such it has 2 buttons, the left is the lock and unlock control, the right the main on/off and power control. On locked standby the current consumption is about 16 uA or 16 millionths of an amp. Pressing this button and holding down for a short while will unlock the lamp and cause the blue ‘nightrider’ battery indicator to light up indicating the battery state. Releasing this, the battery indicator will go off and a green ‘all well’ LED to illuminate. The lamp can then be powered up by the right hand button.

The “B” model will have its low level room lights additionally switched by the safety lock as they will only be drawing 60 mA and would take a considerable time to flatten the battery should it become activated accidentally.

The buttons are of the extended type in order to minimise the intrusion of mud etc off the operator’s finger and have a fairly strong return spring requiring a force of about 8 Newton’s (1.8 LBS) to make contact. The lock switch is also not instantaneous but engages after about 1 second.

A rear heatsink stands proud of the buttons and passes between them making accidental activation of both buttons simultaneously very difficult.

Pressing the right hand button will turn on the lamp to standard mode, two more presses cycle through middle to high which is about 1800 lumens. While on, a long press will go into the ten sub modes, an extra low up to the high. Long press while off will initiate the flashes for those who want them. This driver is a modified ‘off the shelf’.

The CMOS lockdown PCB is my own design and build and cannot be purchased off the shelf. I searched the Internet for a schematic for a circuit of the type but was unsuccessful. It’s possible that the Maxim controller is a recent development. It certainly makes design of this type of circuit an easy matter
and I am able to easily assemble this using plain stripboard. Having custom PCBs made up would jack up the price of the finished product.

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I make a point of using electrolytic capacitors; note the remarks re the ESR in the schematic, ceramic capacitors are conductive to ESR issues. The Maxim controllers are good but an expensive little chip, I am pondering on the possibility of using them to make an analogue multi mode driver, I need a life.

It should be noted that the output of these is in the form of what I would call “voltage logic” which is a flip flop + and 0 voltage but with the inability to generate any current. The inductive load driver is necessary due to this, its logic activated, and also to the magnetic tendencies of the relay coil, the “inductive load”. They are good for up to 50mA which nicely covers relay coils.

Note that the schematic shown is designed for a 2 series Li Ion input, single or parallel cells would only require the left hand section (5V), this would work fine with the lower voltage range.

Lamps will be delivered in an ‘off’ state and will initiate on first charge same as a lot of electronic goods for safety in transit, so purchasers will need to charge before use. Returns will require the lid removal from the battery case and a physical disconnection (mini Deans) as per supplied instructions. Again, this is for safety in transit.

Prices will be £195 for the standard and F model, £225 for the B. Provisionally.

Gallery

1/ Model variantions

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2/ Rear view, buttons etc

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3/ The lamp

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4/The power up 'Lightshow'

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ChrisJC
7 years ago
So your CMOS circuit is basically an on/off circuit, controlled by pressing one of the buttons. How is this an improvement over your fire-starting lamp?

I would have ditched the NUD3112 and just used a FET+Diode, but perhaps you are constrained for space.

Chris.
royfellows
7 years ago
Hi Chris

The toggle switches I normally use are rated to IP67. I now fit rubber boots and seal the threads to uprate this, but would feel uncomfortable using this method for this series of lamps. Rubber boots can tear, and it is supposed to be a tough lamp for extreme usage.

Off - (On) push buttons are available rated to IP 68 5 metre, as used, and IP 69 10 BAR, for a price I dont have the nerve to mention!
There are IP 68 or more toggles, about an inch across, no kidding.

The lamp is not designed as a bat cooker, but as I describe.

NUD3112, IC chips reduce components and simplify circuits, surely more elegant?

The Scorpion design has loads of internal space and very easy to mount components.

Yes, and you spotted a typo. Grrr

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royfellows
7 years ago
Back again
Chris, you have jerked my memory.
Originally I envisaged this lamp as a return to low voltage and drew my schematic accordingly but using your method, a FET and diode. However I could see an issue whereby due to the Vf drop on the diode the On/Off controller would fail at battery 3V (low bound on controller is 2.7V), even using a schottky with its lower Vf drop.
The whole purpose in using low voltage would be the 'slow death'. I then further realised that I would not get this anyway as the lamp would go out at 2.7V, about 0.2V above battery management threshold.

Then mooching about I hit the NUD3112 and saw a better way still to do things.

The inner workings of my mind. We a right bunch of geeks.
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7 years ago
"royfellows" wrote:



The inner workings of my mind. We a right bunch of geeks.
:lol:



Agree ;)


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Yma O Hyd....
royfellows
7 years ago
Got it wrong anyway. original low voltage circuit didn't need the relay as all was same voltage, just used a MOSFET to switch the load.
Its the time of night. I'm off to bed, had enough.
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royfellows
7 years ago
"The Fresh Prince of Portreath" wrote:

Last of the big bat cookers :(

A sad sentence to read.

It's like saying you are exiting the world of building dragsters and getting a job at your local ford garage.



Its not my choice.
I cant get the deep finned headset shells (HK) anymore, I am just assembling a Lynx X12, 3 headsets remaining afterwards.

I have looked at a Scorpion using 3 series XHP 50s but China has stopped making the boost drivers suitable and its not economically viable to have some made up due to cost, never mind development time etc.

Thing is, the Scorpion X12 is 3500 lumens, hardly to be sneered at.

Nothing is like it was though is it?
The car (Europecars rentals) I am driving about in has been described as a 'hairdressers car'

RF driving a 'hairdressers car'!
Its a bit like Conner McGreggor taking up crochet.
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7 years ago
I can envisage you as a hairdresser Roy, if having your hair cut by a man wielding a Katana could be described as a hairdresser...:devil:
Don't look so embarrassed, it's a family trait...
royfellows
7 years ago
After the fall of the Samurai in the late 19th century they were forbidden to carry the swords in public or wear the 'topknot' in their hair. Those caught were publicly humiliated by having the topknot cut off.

A sad end, but times change.
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7 years ago
"royfellows" wrote:

After the fall of the Samurai in the late 19th century they were forbidden to carry the swords in public or wear the 'topknot' in their hair. Those caught were publicly humiliated by having the topknot cut off.

A sad end, but times change.



In fairness there are a few folks that could do with humiliating by having their "top knots " chopped off ....

especially those that are bald with pony tails .....
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Its a bit like Conner McGreggor taking up crochet.
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If he did I wonder if he'd take on the best at knitting at the craft show......:confused:
royfellows
7 years ago
"The Fresh Prince of Portreath" wrote:

My Trigon and MS both need some love. At some point, I'll have to send them.



You been saying this for 12 months, I dont look out for the postman
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MS is a collector item really, but Trigon as as powerful as anything.

Just put new upgraded emitters into a Mk 1 that's 8 years old, but kept in lovely nick. Charged £25
But if power is down, could be the battery pack, Li Ions don't last for ever.

By way for other readers, the TGX went on duration test at 8.0 this morning on Standard, still burning bright.

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royfellows
7 years ago
The MagnumStar is ridiculously heavy but is was the platform which was the first caplamp to put 1000 lumens on someones head.
Since then things have moved forward a lot.

Issue up until recently has been floodlights which have always been the weakest point. They have to be up against the glass to be effective but the heat track to ambient tends to be long. The latest Scorpion is to my mind the best lamp yet. Heat track to ambient from the floods is only 10mm and its a very versatile design.

Stu, ask yourself, do you really need anything more powerful than the Trigon?
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Pinzgauer
7 years ago
Roy... You have a pm.
Who threw the overalls in Mrs Murphy''s Chowder ??
royfellows
7 years ago
Back to the TGX, just completed duration test.

Standard Mode gave full light for 12 hours then went into a 'slow death' cycle for up to 20 hours when light was that low as to be practically useless. It did not go out, even when operating mode button.

I am very well pleased and will probably put into production the first batch shortly.

Pic below at 20 hours.

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royfellows
7 years ago
I have changed the design etc of the TGX.

I have dumped the alternative models as likely to confuse the buyer and kept to one new design.
This has the spot reflector plus one wide angle reflector close to the glass. This gives good foot level peripheral lighting and even output. frankly, the kind of 'magic' I was seeking all along.

I expect to have stock within a week or so.

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The Lynx X2000 is now discontinued in favour of the Scorpion X_8. Slightly more expensive but a far better lamp.
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royfellows
6 years ago
Scorpion TGX, more design changes.

I have improved the laminated glass which is now 5mm and am redesigning the front with new faceplates to accommodate this.
Test results are startling with hefty blows from a small ball hammer leaving the glass unmarked. I actually tried to break the thing to see the breakage pattern but had to give up.

I manufacture these myself and had initial problems as excess heat causes decomposition of the thermoplastc interlayer, I now have the process perfected.

The lamp will to the best of my knowledge be unique in having this type of glass. All the other lamps with the usual Scurion type rimless glass are polycarbonate.

Pic below, note the 3 layers

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I have also redesigned the battery box which will have an aluminium attachment plate for direct mounting on the back of a helmet rather than the 4mm shockcord normally used.

Going to be one tough SOB

I can hold the price at £195 regardless of the improvements.
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royfellows
6 years ago
Hi peeps

At risk of becoming a bore I have to reproduce, with name edited, this email received.

STARTS

Hi Roy,

Just wanted to drop you a quick note to say how utterly amazing your lamp is! Had a quick trip tonight with my local club in an iron mine and its an absolute joy to use. Surprisingly I was mainly using the pilot light as that was perfect for walking. I used the full 7000 for photos which almost allows me to not use long exposures as well as the others telling me to crank it up every time we hit a big chamber. When I got home I hadnt turned off a single battery light!

Absolutely fantastic bit of engineering sir!

regards

******

ENDS

The thing about this, is that I am reasonably comfortable if you get the drift, the lamps are more of a vocation to me. I get something like this, and this one is not one on its own, and it makes it seem worthwhile.

The lamp is the Lynx X12, headsets now down to 3.
:(

If an established producer of quality lamps was to approach me I would share the technology involved so that they could take up manufacture. Obviously the retail price would double but I would expect that there would also be improvements made, such as a finely tuned thermal shutdown.

My new Scorpion is the best lamp yet but will not support what goes into the big bat cooker, so it really is the end of them.
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royfellows
6 years ago
I have just had a lamp returned due to complete failure, I am not proud of this but there is an interesting lesson here.

What had happened was that some insulation had moved upon assembly and further movement had caused the power input cable high side to short on the copper LED module.
A short circuit will cause the power bank management electronics to disconnect the power from the battery cells.

This if anything, clearly demonstrates the reliability of the Lithium Ion management safety.
What is interesting and worth noting is that only Li Ion has these sophisticated management electronics and that any battery type is a means of storing an electrical charge and if short circuited can cause fire and injury.

Almost all purpose built underground caplamps nowadays use Li Ion cells and can (hopefully!) be considered safe in this way, although I cannot in truth speak for other manufacturers.

Oldham lead acid batteries had a safety fuse but are now obsolete.

Bottom line - Li Ion by virtue of its sophisticated management electronics is inherently safer than other battery types.

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