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Hattlebags
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6 years ago

Does anyone know the story of this ? Seen in Buckden Gavel.

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Ok so 3 attempts to link to an image have failed. I have embedded an image from Flickr and Google but non appear. I have used the img thingy. What am I doing wrong ?

Ah ha ... sussed it !

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Hattlebags
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6 years ago

Ok, until I work out how to post images, here is a description.

It is an engraved aluminium sheet showing the following text

“SFBMRG - CROSSHILLS
GAVEL LEAD MINE
MISSION
JUNE 7 1987
NO SLEEP TILL BUCKDEN”

With a can of Special Brew

rikj
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6 years ago

Cross Hills is mid-way between Skipton and Keighley, so near enough to explain that bit I would have thought.

MRG=Mine Research Group?

legendrider
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6 years ago

SFB - Sh**-For-Brains?? :smartass:

MARK

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AR
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6 years ago

I used to live in Crosshills before I moved down to the Peak but wasn't aware of any local groups engaged in mine exploration at that time. Mike Gill might be able to shed more light on this.

Follow the horses, Johnny my laddie, follow the horses canny lad-oh!

Jim MacPherson
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6 years ago

"AR" wrote:
I used to live in Crosshills before I moved down to the Peak but wasn't aware of any local groups engaged in mine exploration at that time. Mike Gill might be able to shed more light on this.

I don't think Mike has much time for "social meja" stuff including AN so you would need to go via NCMRS.

Back to the thread the Craven Crosshills is the only one I've come across and it's intriguing that a) someone took enough time to stamp out the details as well as drill holes and b) it doesn't appear to have been noticed in the last 30 something years also the can looks in reasonable nick.

There is a Crosshill in Glasgow - an apostrophe missing? SFB might be Scottish Fire Brigade at a demented stretch! I believe that drink is a popular beverage in them thar parts :flowers:

Jim

Hattlebags
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6 years ago

The beer can and the aluminium plaque with the engraving on it are in a relatively inaccessible section of the mine. That is the warren of workings above the collapsed level at the back of the mine. Progressing through this section involves quite a bit of furtling about. Even then these objects are placed somewhere you could easily miss them, so possible not many have seen these things. But having said that, the can is quite visible so others must have looked at this over the last 30 years. I suspect the plaque is recording a successful connection having been established between two sections of the mine which had previously been thought to have been lost. Probably involved quite a bit of digging and effort, so was well worth celebrating.

Jim MacPherson
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6 years ago

From your comments about the warren-like nature of the place and NCMRS' 1974 mine plan it make good sense that bits would get overlooked and why, perhaps, Buckden Bill didn't manage to get back out :(

Jim

Bill L
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6 years ago

I was introduced to BG many years ago by Dave Carlisle who found Bill. If Dave is still around he might throw some light on this mystery.

Hattlebags
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6 years ago

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Did Dave Carlisle find Buckden Bill ? I thought it was a group of Students from Birmingham University who discovered the body of Bill (John Sunter Place) in 1964. Was Dave Carlisle one of those Students ? I am seeing Dave in a few weeks time so will quiz him on this.

rikj
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6 years ago

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Only just woken up to the song reference on the plaque. March 1st 1987 the Beastie Boys released "No sleep till Brooklyn", and here in June 1987 we have "No sleep till Buckden".

Sort of hints at the demographics of the group, don't imagine many hoary old mine explorers were listening to the Beastie Boys. The metalwork suggests someone who worked in sheet metal fabrication.

Hattlebags
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6 years ago

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May well have been a bunch of Potholers. Exploring this part of the mine is rather like potholing, with lots of squirming about in small spaces. Although mine explorers in the 1980's were a younger lot than today. It is just that we have all grown old.

ttxela
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6 years ago

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"rikj" wrote:
Only just woken up to the song reference on the plaque. March 1st 1987 the Beastie Boys released "No sleep till Brooklyn", and here in June 1987 we have "No sleep till Buckden".

Shortly followed by the Macc Lads version 'No Sheep till Buxton'

AR
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6 years ago

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Aaargh, I'm going to have "sheep, sheep, everywhere" running through my head all day now....:curse:

Follow the horses, Johnny my laddie, follow the horses canny lad-oh!

Moorebooks
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6 years ago

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"Hattlebags" wrote:
Did Dave Carlisle find Buckden Bill ? I thought it was a group of Students from Birmingham University who discovered the body of Bill (John Sunter Place) in 1964. Was Dave Carlisle one of those Students ? I am seeing Dave in a few weeks time so will quiz him on this.

Dave regaled the story to us some time ago and I recall he was with the Earby Club and he found it whilst exploring with members of that group .

Mike

Bill L
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6 years ago

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Dave did a slide show (remember?) as part of a hugely enjoyable course at Whernside. Manor. They included. my namesake in all his putrid splendor, with the tale of his discovery.
Dave won't remember me but you can perhaps tell him that the course was a game changer for me as mining exploration came to play a large part of my life and I thank him for this.

rikj
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6 years ago

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From the letters page of The Dalesman, March 2012:

I read with interest the article ‘The Mystery of Buckden Bill’ (Jan). There are many twists and turns to this story and facts are still turning up after all this time. Over the years, information has built up through research and by pure chance. We thought that the body could not have been that of John Sunter Place, because the pathologist at the inquest reported the age at death as fifty-seven to sixty-three, not forty-six as in the article.

Your correspondent is correct at least in stating that we may never know his true identity, but circumstantial evidence gathered from many sources by several people is pretty strong and it is probably about time to put pen to paper on the subject. We hope to have a book for sale later this year in the Yorkshire Dales Mining Museum, Earby, where all the recovered artefacts are on show. Proceeds will go to the museum funds.

What has all this got to do with me? Well, I was one of the two (not four) mining students who made the gruesome discovery way back in March 1964.

J David Carlisle, Barnard Castle

ttxela
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6 years ago

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"AR" wrote:
Aaargh, I'm going to have "sheep, sheep, everywhere" running through my head all day now....:curse:

:lol:

ttxela
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6 years ago

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"Bill L" wrote:
Dave did a slide show (remember?) as part of a hugely enjoyable course at Whernside. Manor. They included. my namesake in all his putrid splendor, with the tale of his discovery.
Dave won't remember me but you can perhaps tell him that the course was a game changer for me as mining exploration came to play a large part of my life and I thank him for this.

I think I recall seeing some photos on here of the discovery but they seem to be gone now, possibly too gruesome?

It's a fascinating story and I've always fancied visiting the mine.

Moorebooks
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6 years ago

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"ttxela" wrote:

"Bill L" wrote:
Dave did a slide show (remember?) as part of a hugely enjoyable course at Whernside. Manor. They included. my namesake in all his putrid splendor, with the tale of his discovery.
Dave won't remember me but you can perhaps tell him that the course was a game changer for me as mining exploration came to play a large part of my life and I thank him for this.

I think I recall seeing some photos on here of the discovery but they seem to be gone now, possibly too gruesome?

It's a fascinating story and I've always fancied visiting the mine.

Contrary to popular rumour Dave is not that bad except when he tells a horror story or jumps out at you in the dark:devil::devil:

Mike