I've just had a look at some of the other checks - crikey, I wouldn't touch them with someone else's money, let alone my own! The style of the numbers wouldn't look out of place on this years f1 Ferrari.

Hi chuck
So you know the curator of the Lancashire mining
Museum Buile Hill what did happen to the lamps
Checks, photos, plans, Glass slides, because the people
Of Manchester have been looking for them
ever since the museum was closed and sold.

Please read carefully before putting pen to paper in effect.
I said he replied to the forum on the NMMA site, so go there, pick up the thread and use contact details from that and pose the question direct to him. Nowt to do with me what happened in the "War of the Roses", sorry I meant closure of a National Asset.

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So what's dodgy about them? Look fine to me. I'd love to hear what you think is wrong with them, as you seem to be a lamp 'expert' now.

Hi Heb,
Its not just me that thinks they are wrong, it is some of the top lamp experts in the country also. We are compiling a list of points to look out for, which we will publish.
I am interested in how you comment that I am a "lamp expert now" how do you know I was not one before? Do you know more about all this than you are letting on?
But to assist you - look at the alloy Grays No2, the sampling tube is wrong-not feruled at the top/no insert at the bottom; the vents in the bonnet are roughly square punched in by hand and torn on three sides, the brass ones shows how these are pressed out oblong with an even semi-circular indent and only seperated on two sides; the base vessel is the wrong diameter, what you cannot see, but is there - caustic soda and urine aging inside the bonnet area. The hasp and strap are wrong. But all in all these are very good copies and will easily fool the unexpecting.
I hope you are against all dodgy items of any kind of historical artefacts, especially in mining items and that you like myself, thoroughly condemn them. If you are a dedicated enthusiast of mining history and it's artefacts, then I am willing to meet and discuss our mutual interest, But I am not interested in differences of opinion just for the sake of it.

Hi Chuck,

I think you have picked on the wrong fella there! Heb was fully in support of you. A rather stupid comment was made by the person who calls himself Westmine and Heb was trying to draw out on what basis he thought they were "dodgy".

Hi Heb again,
Appologies if I directed any brickbats in your direction. johnnearcfon has put me right. Because the posting you were answering has been deleted by the moderator, I could not see it and then assumed you were asking me the question. But the info I put on about the alloy No2 will be of interet to a lot of people. I had an e-mail from a helpfull person on the claims of the deleted posting and as I pointed out to that person, the baby patterson is not a lamp that anyone would fake and it is too complicated, fakers like lamps that can be turned up on a lathe, castings are too complicated for them.
Thanks johnnearcyfon for putting me right as I could have nearly lost a supporter there.

Beware there are more of the dodgy Lancashire checks with raised copper numbers on E-Bay club and association badges - mining.
Also Yorkshire checks - never seen a nostell like that one, or the rest. The letter punch seems the same on all!! Must have been in a time and distance machine to present at all those pits. Look at them and make your own judgements.

Hi chuck
Re Lancashire Checks... Nostell is a Yorkshire Colliery. :lol:

Hi chuck
Re Lancashire Checks... Nostell is a Yorkshire Colliery. :lol:

Err he does say that its a Yorkshire one......

HI

I have just looked on ebay and i cannot see any checks that
are sold as with raised copper letters.

He didn't say that the Nostell one has raised letters, perhaps you should read the post properly before trying to make a fool of Chuck.
Take a look at http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LANCASHIRE-St-GEORGES-No-2-pit-check_W0QQitemZ290241127770QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item290241127770&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C65%3A10&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 

Didn't they make one of those on Blue Peter once using a bit of scrap metal and some sticky backed plastic! The back should be marked FAKE (in raised letters of course).

You'd have thought that the guy knocking these out should be getting better at cutting those numbers by now.

HI

I have just looked on ebay and i cannot see any checks that
are sold as with raised copper letters.

It must be very difficult not finding them when it would seem that you may be in fact the seller of them!

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SO they are made by a mr Blue peter.. now they have gone
from RAISED metal letters to Plastic letters.. stuck on.

This is better than Telivision. :lol:

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OK I made a little mistake, the seller has varied the design to throw us off the scent - they are raised BRASS letters this time

And he seems to have a new sideline in shite (No Hallmark) jewellery now as well :lol:

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Item number: 290241131421 on e-bay. Africa pendant shows similar construction to the dodgy raised number checks. Is there no limit to the makers ability to stetch the credible.
But to get back to our interest in mining and its history and artefacts. I will post a pic tommorrow of one of the rarest British oil safety mining lamps in existence just for Heb and other fellow enthusiasts interest. Only one in existence and far too complicated for bad men to copy!!!!!!

This is the famous Cryptograph Lamp. Drawings exist for Stephenson, Davy and Clanny versions. Made by Archibald of Glasgow in 1822, this is the only known surviving lamp. Totally impractical in a working pit, who would remember all the different codes? Unless they were written on the wall behind the page 3 calendar!
If anyone wants to see a special lamp dismantled, let me know and I will see if I have it in the lamp cabin!
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