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rikj
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10 years ago

Small piece on BBC Look North today with the National Farmers Union saying farmers are worried that fracking could cause old lead mines to collapse, leaving the farmers liable for the remediation of the subsidence.

Issues of fracking aside (please start a new thread in the Punch and Judy section of the forum if you want to debate those), is this a realistic possibility? Anyone familiar with northern lead mines will be used to crawling through collapsing shale, but is this the same stuff that would be fracked?

And even if the fracking were to be on the same horizon, then surely the last thing the operators would do is frack near mines? Would they not end up endlessly pumping water into empty space? The NFU seem to be pushing for a national Coal Authority style pot of cash to pay for any remediation required.

Anyhow, small underground bit from Gillfield Level, though as far as I know no fracking licences have been issued for around there. Maybe on iplayer tomorrow.

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staffordshirechina
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10 years ago

I saw that too.
What a load of bo????ocks!
I agree, it sounded more like farmers wanting holes filled in for free.

John Lawson
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10 years ago

As has already been stated this is pure distilled drivel!
The drill holes are going down a very long way and, presumably only taking out gas/oil(if any), and the rock having been broken, fills up the resultant void.
In Scotland, Ineos, who operate, the former BP Grangemouth refinery, are actively buying up fracking licences, with the hope that they will be able to find cheap feedstock, to use in the plant.
We are all benefitting from fracking simply, because the Yanks are producing so much oil using this technique, the oil price has now fallen to $85 a barrel and we will all be getting cheap fuel- until the Chancellor alters the duty!

wheldale
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10 years ago

I've taken an interest in fracking. The depth of the shale is over 1000 meters. Now when I worked in South Africa on the gold mines, gold mining produced many earth tremors daily. While some of the larger tremors caused some roof falls, all in all the mines were pretty stable.

I can't imagine old mine workings collapsing through minor tremors, and that is if any happen during the fracking process.

legendrider
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10 years ago

Yeah, total twaddle. Sounds like a pre-emptive "told you so" for when the Powers-That-Be start issuing fracking licences in National Parks and AONBs.

Now git orf moi laaaand :lol:

festina lente[i]

Ty Gwyn
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10 years ago

Better to be fore armed than fore warned as they say,

Put it another way,would you expect to cover the cost of a hole opening up in your gardens from Mining operations?

risy76115
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10 years ago

"Put it another way,would you expect to cover the cost of a hole opening up in your gardens from Mining operations?[/quote wrote:

just fill it full of water and call it a fishpond come water feacher but on a serious note yea defo sounds like they are after ££££
Rise from the ashes

Trewillan
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10 years ago

"Ty Gwyn" wrote:
Better to be fore armed than fore warned as they say,

Put it another way,would you expect to cover the cost of a hole opening up in your gardens from Mining operations?

But fracking will not cause holes to open up in your garden.

wheldale
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10 years ago

As I have said before i have taken an interest in fracking. Lots of activists have said that fracking will polute the water table etc. What the activists haven't told people is that farming and the use of pesticides and fertilisers have poluted water sourses.

It sounds to me that's as farmers are for example currently loosing money on milk, they are looking at ways of boosting cash income.

Sounds to me personally as a lot of scaremongering. Only time will tell.

Ty Gwyn
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10 years ago

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"Trewillan" wrote:

"Ty Gwyn" wrote:
Better to be fore armed than fore warned as they say,

Put it another way,would you expect to cover the cost of a hole opening up in your gardens from Mining operations?

But fracking will not cause holes to open up in your garden.

Agree,but old mine workings do.

Depending on the Geology of an area,and its Faults,
If fracking can cause tremors,then there is a good possibility that old unstable workings could collapse in faulted area`s.

skippy
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10 years ago

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As a geologist who has spoken with the BGS consultant expert on the issue - they do not expect any fracking to be successful oop north. There are simply too many major faults and disturbances that would allow fluids to leak - you can blame the mineralisation for that. Their opinion is that the only winner from fracking will be a greedy government selling licences.

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