John Lawson
14 years ago
Simon that was exactly the point I was alluding to.In my opinion all of us engaged in mine exploration must be aware of the public response to accidents. When I was almost entombed in Greenlaws Mine this was the most uppermost thought in my mind. I thought after 40 years of mine exploration I had seen most of the problems but the Mine had other ideas!
Incidentally I must also put on record nearly all of my mine exploration takes place in a non-club environment, but to return to my initial point I learnt the basics with clubs but I must also stress you can never take a mine for granted!
At Rogerly mine 3 years ago a rock fell out of the face and crushed the Californian miner Byron,
He was rushed- by helicopter to hospital in Durham but he was severely injured.
That was in a small Weardale mine where timber is brand new and replaced if at all dodgy!
Underground you can never be too careful.
NewStuff
14 years ago
I'll just leave this thread alone then, I seem to be reading in to this an awful lot of stuff that isn't there.

Must just be me...
Searching for the ever elusive Underground Titty Bar.

DDDWH CC
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14 years ago
Main trouble with forums mate, reading something into a post that the poster didn't intend.

What percentage of communication face to face is non-verbal?
Quite I lot, I seem to recall reading (ie I can't remember the correct percentage :lol: )
NewStuff
14 years ago
"droid" wrote:

Main trouble with forums mate, reading something into a post that the poster didn't intend.

What percentage of communication face to face is non-verbal?
Quite I lot, I seem to recall reading (ie I can't remember the correct percentage :lol: )



aye, I suspect that external factors making me pissed off, then coming on and reading here isn't the best move, especially when the subject is one I feel fairly strongly about.
Searching for the ever elusive Underground Titty Bar.

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Moorebooks
14 years ago
"NewStuff" wrote:

So, because some idiots have no idea of safety, technique, or common sense, I must be in a club, or I can't explore? I risk having places sealed or access otherwise removed?

That seems to be the subtext to your post.

I'll reiterate what I have said earlier in this thread. Should I ever need rescuing, it'll be down to sheer bad luck, and not lack of knowledge, inadequate kit, or stupidity. I would happily apply this to my regular, non-club-affiliated, exploring mates.



As I see if you are in a club of run properly novices receive training and advice.

You refer to rescue and rightly you don't need to be in a club to be a member of that - are in a CRO? A club would have a natural link to that and would help with kit and fund raising.

Politics does come to play and some clubs do seem to have a totalitarian approach - I can only talk of Shropshire where we have negotiated access arrangements and have helped bat group and others provide gates but a simple request to our club secretary would enable you t o gain access to most of the mines whether that’s a leader or whatever. Clive mine for instance the Estate insist on 3rd party insurance reason being a submersible pump at the bottom of well shaft. We pay the forestry commission a licence fee to have access to other sites in the area individuals would struggle to pay that. Another estate with several mine entrances allow club access because we helped them with a collapsed working , identified Bats, helped gate with a standard lock with plenty of keys rather than their own that is an ongoing relationship the club has been established 50 years that name continues sadly individuals move on and those links are lost.

Going back to accidents experienced individuals can share good practice whether in a club or not. Our problem is the numptie who has a cheap Tesco torch and wellies and think they are wandering into a cave not a man made.

Mike

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