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jagman
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12 years ago

#21

There simply isn't any need for bolts on gates in Nenthead

There hasn't been for decades and there isn't now.

gNick
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12 years ago

#22

Of all the Nenthead entrances, the proximity of Brewery shaft to the entrance is a better argument for a more secure entrance. That said I think the legal issue is to prevent casual entrance and a big heavy gate pivoted at the top is a pretty hefty deterrent.

I don't see there is a particular need for a more secure locking system than the current one. What we do need to do is to stop the wall being pulled down by the gate...

Don't look so embarrassed, it's a family trait...

ChrisJC
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12 years ago

#23

"J25GTi" wrote:

Any mine explorer should be carrying a basic tool set and a universal access key (17/19mm or adjustable spanners)to unbolt some gates or grills anyway.

Mines are usually gated and grilled so why people wouldn't be carrying this is beyond me.

Not really. I only carry such tools that are necessary. I really don't see every mine explorer wandering around with a set of spanners and Allen keys for every trip!

Chris.

John Lawson
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12 years ago

#24

I have made my points regarding bolting the gates, and stand by them, but to practical issues.
I am not a civil engineer, my grandson is, and his expertise is in the use of concrete.
I would have thought, at least in the case of Rampgill entrance, it should be possible to peel back some of the ground either side of the arching and pour in concrete.to reinforce the whole structure, and possibly force re-bar into some of gaps between the arching into the wet concrete ,hence spreading the load and re-inforcing the gate plates.

Hammy
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12 years ago

#25

"ChrisJC" wrote:

"J25GTi" wrote:

Any mine explorer should be carrying a basic tool set and a universal access key (17/19mm or adjustable spanners)to unbolt some gates or grills anyway.

Mines are usually gated and grilled so why people wouldn't be carrying this is beyond me.

Not really. I only carry such tools that are necessary. I really don't see every mine explorer wandering around with a set of spanners and Allen keys for every trip!

Chris.

I agree - I am quite prepared to make a preparatory visit to a site and then return with whatever I need to achieve my chosen objective within.

I don't carry tools willy nilly.

gNick
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12 years ago

#26

"John Lawson" wrote:
I have made my points regarding bolting the gates, and stand by them, but to practical issues.
I am not a civil engineer, my grandson is, and his expertise is in the use of concrete.
I would have thought, at least in the case of Rampgill entrance, it should be possible to peel back some of the ground either side of the arching and pour in concrete.to reinforce the whole structure, and possibly force re-bar into some of gaps between the arching into the wet concrete ,hence spreading the load and re-inforcing the gate plates.

Structurally no problem with concrete, the reason there isn't any is to do with the listed status...

Don't look so embarrassed, it's a family trait...

sparty_lea
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12 years ago

#27

"gNick" wrote:

Structurally no problem with concrete, the reason there isn't any is to do with the listed status...

Plenty precendent for the use of concrete in repairing stone arching in Rampgill... the VM company did it all the time...

There are 10 types of people in the world.

Those that understand binary and those that do not!

Dark Prince
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12 years ago

#28

The whole carrying of tools/spanners/allen key thing.......

In the eyes of the law, would this not be classed as going equipped?.

Fitting bolts where bolts have not been fitted will only cause trouble. Despite Box mine having a bolt fitted, it hasn't stopped numpties getting in and partying, leaving litter etc etc. So bolts get fitted...someone from outside the area wants to explore...he asks on a forum what size 'key' is needed to get in......he waits...and waits.....and gets no answer. So said explorer stops by on the off chance and finds that the new bolt, the size of which is a national secret, is so loose it can be undone with his fingers......

DP

gNick
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12 years ago

#29

"sparty_lea" wrote:

Plenty precendent for the use of concrete in repairing stone arching in Rampgill... the VM company did it all the time...

True but possibly not the best argument for a non-repaired section I fear!

Don't look so embarrassed, it's a family trait...