Knocker
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12 years ago
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-22541030 

Would love to see the justification for this! I cannot believe for a minute that 15% less people re going to visit the North York Moors as a result of a new mine!
RJV
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12 years ago
Absolute bollocks. Staithes was rammed the weekend before last when we called for breakfast and that's only a mile from Boulby.

The new one is barely even on the moors proper. What a load of old arse.
AR
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12 years ago
Complete crap, are they really suggesting people won't visit Whitby, Bay, or Goathland because of what's going on in the middle of a plantation well out of they way of the main tourist routes?
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Knocker
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12 years ago
Thats my thinking, Boulby doesn't really have a big impact - this one doesn't even have a processing plant on site!
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12 years ago
It sounds like utter tosh to me.

The article says the Authority "commissioned its own research" but fails to say who did that research. Clearly a case of research can say whatever you want it to say if you pay the right think tank to think it up...

I doubt many people visiting N Yorks will even be aware of the mine. I mean, when you go on holiday do you do research into industries in the area?

One day I'd like to go to Maine. But I see it ranks 9th for aquaculture in the US. So I've decided not to go because it's clearly going to smell of fish.
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ChrisJC
12 years ago
I think the previous posters have summed up the situation pretty well.

Chris.
rikj
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12 years ago
I bet most tourists passing Boulby don't know it is a working mine.

Anyhow, everyone I know who goes up there, is going because of the mines! Disused ones that is.
RJV
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12 years ago
"rikj" wrote:

I bet most tourists passing Boulby don't know it is a working mine.

Anyhow, everyone I know who goes up there, is going because of the mines! Disused ones that is.



And there I was thinking you came just for the pleasure of seeing us... 😢
ad289
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12 years ago
My last visit was to see Boulby potash mine, along with 15 others.....
christwigg
12 years ago
Never have I heard such a pile of utter arse.

They're not putting the thing in the middle of Whitby FFS, I doubt 99.9% of the visitors to the NYM could even place the actual position of the new mine on a map to within 10 miles if challenged.
somersetminer
12 years ago
Sounds to me like the park authority trying to set things up so that if they do approve planning they have an excuse to get some sort of compensation out of Sirius.......trouble with that is the margins on these projects are VERY carefully worked out, they wont be willing to budge an inch financially, especially since I expect there is already provision for some funding for local community projects etc
christwigg
12 years ago
"somersetminer" wrote:

especially since I expect there is already provision for some funding for local community projects etc



I hope so because that might be me 😉
Vanoord
12 years ago
Another example of a conservation body behaving extremely unprofessionally.

There is no way that 15% of the visitors to the park will cease to go there if this happens.

There's also got to be some question about the alleged financial cost - it will be an optimistic figure that overlooks things such as that some people stay in B&Bs because they are travelling reps or are there for some other reason that's not to see the heather-covered moors.

The figure put about by the Park Authority is basically utter fabrication.

I'd guess that the figure has been set astronomically high on the instruction of someone who decided to oppose the plan as soon as they first heard about it. Probably someone who would be considered an'environmentalist' and who knows full well that the mine would not have that impact.

The problem is that figures produced by such government authorities are generally believed. After all, they're professionals looking after the environment, so why would they lie?

The applicant, however, is merely motivated by greed and therefore must have made everything up.

The BBC report reflects this: there's no counter-claim that the Park Authority's figures are quite obviously plucked out of the sky and designed to fit an agenda. Instead, they're given equal weight to the applicant's position, nay, even given greater weight.

It's a sad situation when people in public office who have a agenda abuse that position to frustrate jobs and economic development by lying - and it's all very well for them, sat in a warm office taking home a generous salary from the taxpayer.
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Knocker
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12 years ago
There is HUGE provision for community projects on this one, Sirius have pledged 0.5% of revenues (Not profit) for community projects. The anticipated revenue stream is $4 Billion per annum - The NPA could make themselves deeply unpopular!
AR
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12 years ago
The thing that strikes me is that if the NYM park authority turn it down on the ground of this alleged tourism hit, Sirius will probably go to appeal at which point the figures will get pulled apart, by expert witnesses and/or a QC . If they were to then win on appeal, the costs bill against the park could be pretty heavy, which of course means the taxpayer foots the bill.

If they do turn this down, I can imagine a lot of people from Whitby heading up the Esk valley to Danby with flaming torches and pitchforks.....
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rodel
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12 years ago
I missed this thread when it first started as I was away from home and staying in the area in question, however on Easter Sunday I opted to travel up to Teesside on the A171 from Scarborough but due to the volume of Bank Holiday traffic opted to take the B1416 which runs past the proposed mine site and down to Ruswarp in order to avoid Whitby. Despite the amount of traffic on the A171 there was SFA on the road past the mine site which, to me, makes a mockery of any suggestion that tourism would be adversely affected. That road is one used by locals mainly and barely skirts the moors proper and any claim that it iis otherwise I think is quite disgraceful. 😠
RJV
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12 years ago
In fairness AR, pitchforks & burning torches are just a normal Saturday night in Danby...

I wonder how many people actually enter the moors from that direction to be possibly affected? Would imagine that the major flow of traffic enters from York/Pickering or Guisborough/Middlesbrough.
Vanoord
12 years ago
SFA?

Presumably not the Scottish Football Association? :confused:
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Boy Engineer
12 years ago
Quote:

One day I'd like to go to Maine. But I see it ranks 9th for aquaculture in the US. So I've decided not to go because it's clearly going to smell of fish


Better avoid Florida (7th) or Arkansas (2nd) then as you'd think you were living in a house made from kipper box wood.

I intend to visit the area as soon as construction starts, so that's two off their spurious number, assuming I can convince the other half to tag along.
AR
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12 years ago
Think I might phone my parents and see what's actually being said locally about the proposal, rather than what's getting into the press....

As Rodel quite rightly points out, the Ruswarp road isn't a major route and is mainly used by locals as a handy way to avoid going into Whitby in summer when it's packed out with tourists who will have come in on the A171 and the A169!
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