Coggy
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13 years ago
I first went into and old mine in 1970 on a YHA trip to Ilam Hall (Binciff) with a rubbish torch. I was hooked and in the next few years explored mostly adits in Ecton, Via Gellia, Castleton and slate mines in North Wales.
I stopped all that in the mid seventies. Then last year went on a visit to Goodluck, so decided to renew my interst in poking into holes in the ground, but found most adits seem to be gated, and most shafts filled in or covered with a sort of drain cover. Whats going on ? Is this a Health & Safety or EU ruling to stop idiots from falling into holes?
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NewStuff
13 years ago
"Coggy" wrote:

Is this a Health & Safety or EU ruling to stop idiots from falling into holes?



Equal parts that, and fear of litigation from said idiots falling into holes.

Gates can be bypassed though, if there is no meaningful way to negotiate access for experienced and insured persons. 😉 😉
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AR
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13 years ago
The only gated adits in the Via Gellia are Goodluck, Merry Tom to which access is arrangable, then there's Owlet Hole and Ball Eye to which no access is permitted. That leaves you with Houghton Pipe, Cowhole Pipe, Groaning Tor, Jacob's Dream, Old Gells, Silver Eye, Slaley Sough, Dunsley Springs, Henstocks, Thumper Sitch, and Spinney level, amongst others. Most shafts in the Peak have concrete sleepers on them, which with the right knowledge and equipment can be opened for access in about ten minutes. There are mines in the peak that aren't generally accessible but for the most part you can either just go in or get permission by asking.

As for health and safety gone mad, nothing of the sort. It's been established in law since the 19th century that a land owner or occupier has a duty to prevent the casual passerby coming to grief in an abandoned mine, but all this needs is something to prevent said passerby just walking or falling into the mine. Usually a fence is sufficient, or in areas where there are lots of small and not fully mapped shafts, warning signs at the entrances to the land telling people to stick to the footpaths!
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Graigfawr
13 years ago
Derbyshire Caving Association can advise on access arrangements to a lot of Derbyshire mines - they have a useful website.

Quite a few Derbyshire shafts have manhole cover sized grids on top which are secured with a nut and bolt. All you need to open them is an adjustable spanner.

The key modern legislation is the Mines & Quarries Act 1954 which states that all shafts and entrances must be secured to prevent accidental access. Different landowners and different official bodies (e.g. Coal Authority; Forestry Commission) interpret the requirements of the Act with varying degrees of rigour. Sometimes a fence or a gate secured with nut and bolt are used; other times concrete plugs (in adits) and caps (over shafts) are installed. Different regions of the UK tend to have different approaches. You are fortunate in Derbyshire that the approach is usually nut and bolt or concrete railway sleepers, thus maintaining access with only minor hassle compared to some other regions of the UK.
NewStuff
13 years ago
"Graigfawr" wrote:

You are fortunate in Derbyshire that the approach is usually nut and bolt or concrete railway sleepers, thus maintaining access with only minor hassle compared to some other regions of the UK.



North Wales... "Access to a mine!?!?!? notafeckingchance! Get orf moi land!" :curse:
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