Redwinch
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16 years ago
This was a complete box with lid, shows what leaving doors open does for preservation

Photograph:

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Still supporting Rampgill. last time I looked
ben88800
16 years ago
Dam shame that this and other artifacts we had seen on this trip have been destroyed by people they where a good way in to the mine which is not the easiest of places to get to so who would put all that effort in to getting there just to wreck the place :glare:
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Captain Scarlet
16 years ago
Different Tool Box, same story

http://www.aditnow.co.uk/community/viewtopic.aspx?t=848 
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Monty Stubble
16 years ago
Been in there today - had a look at the new dig which makes access to the horse gin very easy. Will this lead to the destruction of this important artefact?
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royfellows
16 years ago
"Monty Stubble" wrote:

Been in there today - had a look at the new dig which makes access to the horse gin very easy. Will this lead to the destruction of this important artefact?



One would sincerely hope not.
The new dig was only done a few weeks ago, and mainly due to fears that use of the old would lead to an accident or fatality.
Our gratitude to messrs Paul Thorne, "Mole", etc for doing an absolute stirling job. For the record, I got up to Nenthead just after completion and was not involved in this one at all. If you look carefully you will spot one of Moles now famous "Not RF" signs.
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Wormster
16 years ago
Slightly off topic:

I was completley amazed by the desicration at Whisky Bottle Junction.

I decided that the only thing to do was to leave one of my empties behind, I know its not an original feature, the majority are probably gracing some trophy hunting B*******S matlepiece.

My reasoning behind leaving my empty was to attempt to build up the stock of bottles in memory of T'owd Man.
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Jasonbirder
16 years ago
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had a look at the new dig which makes access to the horse gin very easy



Thats a real shame...I don't think that the old pitch down was in a bad enough state to warrant a new one being dug out...and it acted as an "idiot" filter out protecting the Horse Gin
sparty_lea
16 years ago
"Jasonbirder" wrote:

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had a look at the new dig which makes access to the horse gin very easy



Thats a real shame...I don't think that the old pitch down was in a bad enough state to warrant a new one being dug out...and it acted as an "idiot" filter out protecting the Horse Gin



The shaft dig was certainly in a state where continued use without a ladder or rope in addition would be asking for trouble.
Before it deteriorated there was nothing particularly difficult about it though, a simple short climb.
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Monty Stubble
16 years ago
Difficult one isn't it? Do you reduce the chances of an accident down the old route by going through a collapse hence making it a 20 minute walk/crawl from surface. By doing so do you hasten the desecration of a much-loved and relatively little visited artefact? Perhaps you write off Rampgill to the tourists altogether. After all the wrought iron gates around the top of the shaft are bit OTT anyway. Still some nice stals and curtains there though. Saw Mole's code btw.

::)
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Monty Stubble
16 years ago
Perhaps Rampgill can be the 'Long Churn' of the mining world and should be sacrificial to protect the rest - although Smallcleugh also fills that role... 😞
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sparty_lea
16 years ago
"Monty Stubble" wrote:

Perhaps you write off Rampgill to the tourists altogether.

::)



We're all tourists, its the vandals who smash stuff seemingly just to see it break who want shoving down a shaft and a few tons of rock after them.
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Dean Allison
16 years ago
"sparty_lea" wrote:



We're all tourists, its the vandals who smash stuff seemingly just to see it break who want shoving down a shaft and a few tons of rock after them.



I agree about shoving them down a shaft. It was my first trip into Rampgill onSunday (thanks to Sparty Lea and Ben88800) and it disgusts me to see stuff smashed like this, I just fail to understand the mentality behind this. I would have thought anyone who went to the trouble of going into mines would be interested in them and want to preserve stuff. 😞
royfellows
16 years ago
With the greatest of respect I think you all need to stop, take a deep breath, and think about this.
How do your know that any wooden artefact has been deliberately smashed?
In time the wood goes rotten, the weight stays constant due to the water content due to the damp conditions, and then suddenly the thing collapses on itself.
I have seen it everywhere.
Whiskey bottle corner keeps changing. The original bottle was removed, and then replaced with more bottles than you could count; someone has seen it as it ridiculous and removed the multitude to reduce it to a single bottle.
Sorry, have more faith in human nature. If you have no faith at all then there is no hope.
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Heb
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16 years ago
Well said Roy. Whiskey bottle corner was a mess with all those bottles brought into the mine by visitors, no different to all those empty cans & choc bar wrappers that litter the place.
Mr Mike
16 years ago
"Heb" wrote:

Well said Roy.



I'll second that!
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Peter Burgess
16 years ago
I think Roy has a good point. Think what a state your own home would be in if you didn't clean and tidy it regularly, and without painting the external woodwork, your windows would eventually fall out as the frames rotted. There ARE idiots who do stupid and brainless things underground, but nature is a pretty good vandal without the help of humans.
Redwinch
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16 years ago
Conditions on the surface, ie. wind, rain, snow, etc do not mirror the underground situation, the box, which was the original thread was fully intact in 1997 in 11 years things have changed dramaticaly. It is the "staged" photo shoots which whilst shovels, pipes etc dont mind being moved for a "better, more convincing shot", frail wood and newspapers do, this leads to destruction, not always deliberate vandalism
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sparty_lea
16 years ago
You're absolutely right about Whisky Bottle Junction Roy, it looked like a rubbish dump for a while.

.... but there used to be two big barrels out along Whitewood Vein here
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The one that is still there looks pretty much as it did, but the other (actually the one that was standing upright and originally seemed in better condition) is smashed to matchwood, it hasn't slowly decayed its been disintegrated!
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royfellows
16 years ago
I will tell you something Sparty, you are a WICKED photographer!
I take my hat off to you.
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sparty_lea
16 years ago
Thanks Roy 😞

....but that particular one is one of the Colonel's 😉
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