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4 years ago
"Skewen flood 'from mine' forces 100 homes to be evacuated"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55755933 

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rufenig
4 years ago
What we know about the terrible flood in Skewen caused by a 'burst mineshaft'[i]
Report including C.A. plans.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/flooding-skewen-mine-water-evacuation-19677468 
rufenig
4 years ago
Skewen flood: Is Wales' coalmining past behind home evacuations?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55767054 
staffordshirechina
4 years ago
The reporter has really aired his mining knowledge...

"High levels of iron in water caused by rusting mine equipment abandoned underground is one potential cause of the orange colour."

Wow!
Ty Gwyn
4 years ago
Graham Levins of the Mines preservation society takes the biscuit,``That`s why the mines had big wheels to pump the water out``.
ChrisJC
4 years ago
All it says to me is that the floodwater is running through the mine and collecting ochre on its way.

The mine is not creating more floodwater.

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TheBogieman
4 years ago
There's obviously been a huge rise in the water level in the old (connected) mines and somewhere behind the houses is (was!!) an adit which has simply been bulldozed in. = big blowout with the extra head of water. Yellow brown silty water? Typical coal or metal mine ochreous water. Simples!! CA man on Wales Today has now admitted such... I pity the folk who have had their homes flooded with sticky ochre, what a horrible job to clean it up...
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Ty Gwyn
4 years ago
Take a butchers at this,

ptpeaty
4 years ago
The waters are flowing up an old abandoned air shaft in that video. Loads of old coal workings in the Skewen/Neath area and many worked prior to 1870s when abandonment plans became a legal requirement upon closure.
royfellows
4 years ago
Yes, and it looks like its in the middle of a road as well.
By the quantity of water I would say that a stream has found its way into the workings from higher ground.

"The Isaac Walton Fishing Lake" down the A34 from my home hasn't always been there and I suspect a collapse into workings of the Cannock Lodge pit.
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Tamarmole
4 years ago
"Ty Gwyn" wrote:

Take a butchers at this,



Interesting.

To me it highlights the need to keep adit systems functional (assuming there is an adit in this case). Blocking every hole and assuming that the problem has now gone away on the "if we can't see it it's not there principle" is a tad short sighted.

In my neck of the woods we recently had a fairly big ochre blow out: Adit draining extensive workings has a vey constricted entrance. This causes ochre dams to build up in the adit. Come the heavy rains and floods at the beginning of the year and water builds up behind the dams to a point where the ochre dams fail and you get an impressive egress of ochreous water.
ptpeaty
4 years ago
There are loads of old coal mine shafts in the Skewen area and a large area of workings just to the north of the place. The Coal Authority Interactive Map of the area is very ‘busy’ for that district. It looks like the pressure of water from old flooded workings has finally won the day here.

Older folk living in the Swansea area talk about the changes of vegetation in the district which they say has been caused by local water tables rising over the years since mining pumps were shut down. Food for thought.
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4 years ago
Take a look at UK mine plans and maps FB page, by Harry Reynolds. The plans and text are revealing. (Also shared to NAMHO FB page)
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4 years ago
The plans to block Magpie Sough in Derbyshire could have resulted in a similar situation, albeit with less domestic disruption, but it shows what can happen if it's 'bottled up' instead of let out in a controlled fashion. Deep shafts are one thing, but adits at the bases of hills surely need some water management.

Similar situations to this happened regularly in Sheffield in the 19th century as the seams got close to river-level (coinciding with rabid urban development at the same altitude), but as the seams dipped ever deeper and further east, the problem went underground. But the canal emptied once when the floor of the basin collapsed into a coal mine three feet below it. The River Sheaf also disappeared for three days when the main culvert wall (now called Megatron) failed. It then reappeared 'everywhere' in Attercliffe a mile downstream, considerably darker than when it went in.

A load of just-sub-surface pillar-and-stall workings from the 18th century were filled with concrete by the council last year at the base of Skye Edge here, but this was more to prevent subsidence for the dwellings higher up the slope than for ochre flooding - but most of the woods on the south side where I am have orange streams flowing in them all year round. This one below in Whiteley Wood is almost certainly derived from seams upslope worked at the nearby Greystones Colliery, and emanates from a blocked opening a few metres above a slabbed drain that always runs clear. The weir used to serve Leather Wheel, now filled in and levelled.

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ptpeaty
4 years ago
I had a look at what Mr Reynolds has posted but it is for a colliery in a different part of South Wales that suffered a blow out over a hundred years back. It’s a shame he does not have the abandonment plans to post up for Skewen Main Colliery.
Vanoord
4 years ago
"Ty Gwyn" wrote:

Take a butchers at this,



That does give a certain credence to the suggestion that former mine workings may be part of the cause, yes...

I'd merely echo the sentiment that capping shafts and pretending that they aren't there isn't necessarily the best way forwards.

Quite how this gets resolved is going to be a massive headache for someone.
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Ty Gwyn
4 years ago
Going by the BGS maps it seems to be an airshaft for the No.3 Main pit which worked the Maesmelyn and Hughes seams,the pit itself is at a higher level,hence the volume of water that surged so quickly.
The worrying aspect is its marked on the CA website as an airshaft,beggers belief how modernish houses were built on this site without the shaft being capped properly,makes one wonder how many more are in a similar position across the coalfield.
royfellows
4 years ago
I think part of the trouble is build, build, build everywhere. Look at the issues that have arisen in Cornwall. The trick is probably to ascertain exactly where the shafts are, cap them properly, and designate that little patch a garden or grassland etc.

Of course, that does not stop this sort of thing, just stops houses from falling down.
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4 years ago
"Ty Gwyn" wrote:

Going by the BGS maps it seems to be an airshaft for the No.3 Main pit which worked the Maesmelyn and Hughes seams,the pit itself is at a higher level,hence the volume of water that surged so quickly.
The worrying aspect is its marked on the CA website as an airshaft,beggers belief how modernish houses were built on this site without the shaft being capped properly,makes one wonder how many more are in a similar position across the coalfield.



There is a house/garden about 200 yards up the road sat on a coal shaft. I have the maps showing the shaft. Its probably more common than most people would like!

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