Beware of possible unintended consequences of pushing this gentlemen, would it be wise to export the original car park 'problems' closer to the mine?

I dont believe that there are any car park issues there now.

I dont know why the gate has been removed and the post holes concreted.

The ROW access point at the tarmac road needs to be confirmed by the local authority and signposted.

I dont even know that the landowner there is part of any equation

As a point of interest, and this does not point a finger at anyone, its here for reference purposes.

Highways Act 1980
Section 137 – Penalty for willful obstruction.
(1)If a person, without lawful authority or excuse, in any way willfully obstructs the free passage along a highway he is guilty of an offence and liable to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.

A highway is defined in English common law by a number of similarly-worded definitions such as "a way over which all members of the public have the right to pass and repass without hindrance"[1] usually accompanied by "at all times"; ownership of the ground is for most purposes irrelevant thus the term encompasses all such ways from the widest trunk roads in public ownership to the narrowest footpath providing unlimited pedestrian access over private land.

Responsibility for Motorways and trunk roads lies with the Highways Agency, who also usually own the land over which the highway passes. All other roads are local authority.

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Roy has the rubbish been put there as a obstruction since the farmer now knows about your intentions ?

Have you met the guy ?

See my other.
The landfill and other stuff has been there for some weeks by look of it, I doubt the landowner has heard of me.

Its possible he doesn't even know about the right of way, although he should as its on his deeds because its mentioned in the Land Registry entry.

Its possible that his grievance ref the signs he has put up is based on people from outdoor centres taking paying clients for activities on and under his land. So to a degree its understandable. If this was happening at Upper Dinas I would expect some kind of contribution to say CMT if only as a gesture.

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I dont believe that there are any car park issues there now.

I was thinking more along the lines of what may happen once people realise that they can access the mine much more easily via the 'forgotten' footpath. People will eventually park at the wide bit for a stroll over to the mine, (myself included;D).
Cue yellow lines and parking restrictions.

The wide bits are either passing places, OK for a pause to drop passengers and gear but not to park, or the other bits are on private land and I did see at least one notice.

I don't see issues once its all sorted.

Actually, it seems to still be an easier route if you walk up the tarmac road as well, and just leave the car on the car park.

If you think about it, there is quite a climb up just to go down again to the mine on the existing route. New route you only climb up to the height of the mine. Look at contour lines on the OS map, this struck me before I even tried it.

It has also occurred that will make a nice circular walk taking in the standard bases and a good view across the gorge, over the bridge and back along the old route.

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Here is a shot of the point where the ROW leaves the tarmac road. Plenty room to turn around and drop off, but no parking as its all private land.

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Ah, I see. I've not ventured up that lane for many years, agree should not be a problem if there's nowhere to park.:)

Of course, if not carrying gear, quickest and best is old mine tramway and climb the waterfall.
;D

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Improved access to the mine

This has been duly reported to Rhondda Cynon Taf, the local authority.

Who has responded within 24 hours!

Good service
:thumbsup:

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Of course, if not carrying gear, quickest and best is old mine tramway and climb the waterfall.
;D

When the ramp was there the waterfall was a full pvc suit job in very wet weather, the water would project out from one of the ledges to above handrail level. The gaps in the decking were a challenge!;D

While you here.
I measured the inside width of the rails on Sunday at 22 inches, I was thinking that the decks could be removed for a truck to get stuff up and down. The locos must have got there somehow. Found a length of wire rope as well, so possibly a winch.

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I notice there's a hand winch in one of the recent historic images, it's in the pic outside the mine with 3 trucks outside the compressor house.
If the ramp was ever in use for rail and pedestrian traffic there may have been a time when the planking was arranged differently?

Thats my thinking.

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I have eventually, after quite a performance, managed to digitalise the abandonment plan.

It is on here as a jpeg and available from our own website www.naturalamenities.co.uk in higher resolution format. It is also available on request in very high resolution.

I attempted to get a full size scan from a company I have used before, listed on the Internet the site is now a retirement home.

Not to be deterred I found another local company, went street view to see where they were and they were placed in the middle of a traffic island. Found another possible location in a business park, no street view, went over, no sign.

Probably the same wonderful technology that caused HMRC to send confidential tax information to someone else's address a few years ago.

In the end I used my A4 scanner and assembled it all together in Photoshop. Good result though.

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Hi Roy,

These people are a long way from you but did good work on a couple of maps and plans my Dad had squirrelled away (including PeteJ's early Smallcleugh plan - on AN so you can check whether it's adequate for your needs).

http://www.teessidegraphics.co.uk/ 

There are no doubt others in the world but at least it's someone to ask should the need arise again

Jim

I can also do scans at work, max 914mm (36") width and 2378mm (93.62") long. Longer sheets can be scanned both ends and stitched together in the image editing software of your choice.

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Thanks for this, but I think what I achieved looks OK.

Next time up at the Nent I will bring it up for you to take a look at Nick, see what you think.

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Thanks Roy.:)

I am playing with it in Photoshop and now have a black on white line drawing which I am making into a modern plan, possibly fill in falls etc.

There are some interesting little skills one can learn with Photoshop.

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I have just uploaded an easy to print black and white plan for those going underground, there will also be a white background copy of the abandonment plan on the NAL website, looks rather pretty. I dont want to clutter up AN with too many and the NAL downloads are higher resolution.

The wonders of Photoshop.

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