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richard4496
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13 years ago

Can anyone please help with identifying whether the path marked X to X was a private path to allow workers access to Dam Ing Pit, or whether it might have been a Public Right of Way?

It's near Mug Mill Farm, not far from the Mining Museum.
Thanks.

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Yorkshireman
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13 years ago

Hi Richard,

if it was, it was at some time covered by the track of the mineral railway connecting Stony Road Pit, Dam Ing Pit and Round Wood Pit to the complex at Emroyd Colliery.

The junction of the branch from Dam Ing to the main mineral line was almost exactly where your X-X path crosses the beck.

To me, it appears to be part of a network of cart tracks linking various pits/shafts etc in the area and continues south to take in Hazle Greave, Walton and Hope pit.

Cheers

richard4496
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13 years ago

"Yorkshireman" wrote:
Hi Richard,

if it was, it was at some time covered by the track of the mineral railway connecting Stony Road Pit, Dam Ing Pit and Round Wood Pit to the complex at Emroyd Colliery.

The junction of the branch from Dam Ing to the main mineral line was almost exactly where your X-X path crosses the beck.

To me, it appears to be part of a network of cart tracks linking various pits/shafts etc in the area and continues south to take in Hazle Greave, Walton and Hope pit.

Cheers

Hi.

I think you added to the map Dam Ing Pit and the mineral railway. 🙂

Yes, indeed, from where the path crosses Smithy Brook beck, the track (which I erased from the map in order to clearly show the path) more-or-less followed the path from that point to point X on the eastern end of the path X to X.

The path could predate the track. Not sure, but probably (?). The path and the track could have run parallel from Smithy Brook crossing to X on the east. Not sure also if there were two bridges across the beck one for the path, one for the track.

I could do to get hold of a plan or map of some kind.

I don't know why that route between X to X fell out of use.

My gut feeling is that path X to X was there before the pit.

richard4496
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13 years ago

Is that pit Darling Pit or Dam Ing Pit?

The pit seems to be referred to as both Darling Pit and Dam Ing Pit.

JohnnearCfon
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13 years ago

If it was a public footpath, it still will be. What does the current OS map show it's status as?

You could also visit the local council's offices and ask the Right of Ways Officer to show you the definitve map of the area. That shows recorded rights of way on a six inch OS map.

richard4496
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13 years ago

"JohnnearCfon" wrote:
If it was a public footpath, it still will be. What does the current OS map show it's status as?

You could also visit the local council's offices and ask the Right of Ways Officer to show you the definitve map of the area. That shows recorded rights of way on a six inch OS map.

Not on the Definite Map of Wakefield.

Discussion here:

http://www.walkingforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=19689.msg270204#msg270204

Yorkshireman
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13 years ago

"richard4496" wrote:
Is that pit Darling Pit or Dam Ing Pit?

The pit seems to be referred to as both Darling Pit and Dam Ing Pit.

The name on the oldest available OS map (1851 or 1853 I think) is almost unreadable - at first I thought it was "Darling Pit", but further research came up with the name Dam Ing - my earlier maps have been changed accordingly.

Cheers
D.

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13 years ago

"Yorkshireman" wrote:

"richard4496" wrote:
Is that pit Darling Pit or Dam Ing Pit?

The pit seems to be referred to as both Darling Pit and Dam Ing Pit.

The name on the oldest available OS map (1851 or 1853 I think) is almost unreadable - at first I thought it was "Darling Pit", but further research came up with the name Dam Ing - my earlier maps have been changed accordingly.

Cheers
D.

Just took another look - the OS maps show it as a footpath until 1908. All later maps show no sign of a footpath along your X-X route.

Also interesting is the curvature of the road from Mug Mill Farmpast Round Wood Pit in the direction of Emroyd Common- the radii make me think it must have been a tramway or railway at some time. It shows up very nicely on Google Earth.

Anyone know anything about it?

richard4496
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13 years ago

Yes, I wonder why path X to X dissapeared from the map. I'm told I need to look at Enclosure Award and maps. Is there a plan of Dam Ing Pit?

JohnnearCfon
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13 years ago

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I assume then, that it must have ceased being used at some time prior to 1908 (after whatever date the previous mapping was). That seems to indicate to me that it was used for some purpose (pit related?) that ceased at that time.

richard4496
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"JohnnearCfon" wrote:
I assume then, that it must have ceased being used at some time prior to 1908 (after whatever date the previous mapping was). That seems to indicate to me that it was used for some purpose (pit related?) that ceased at that time.

More research is neccessary. If you wanted to get from B to A you would do B X X A, not B C A. I wonder if the beck crossing got unusable, I'll try to figure. BTW, you can still see a bridge over the beck, falling down a bit now.

I mean, the path X to X existed after the pit closed (marked "old shafts") on 1908 Second Edition 247SE map. And folks would use that path to get to B from A in 1908, when the path is marked F.P.. One thinks folks would.