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Nice - that looks like the crimp of the Inclen Sinc Fawr just to the left, with the Robey engine house (Inclen Bon) out of view on the extreme left of shot. Any more on floor 5 ?

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17 years ago
Interesting Loco...... any details please :thumbsup:
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grahami
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17 years ago
According to "Llechwedd and other Ffestiniog Railways" :-
"Bagnall No.1568, an 0-4-0 saddle tank engine given the name of Dorothy was delivered to Llechwedd in 1899. In 1927 the G.E.C. working in the Llechwedd workshops to plans perpeared by Captain Martyn Williams Ellis, grandson of J.W.Greaves, converted it into the "Eclipse". An overhead power supply of 22V DC was fed to a 15hp motor whose shaft was coupled to a worm and wheel reduction gear and thence by chain and sprocket to the four coupled driving wheels."

In haste

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17 years ago
More than good enough.. so thanx .... fascinating stuff... does it survive? Cant find it in my IRS industrial loco's book.

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JohnnearCfon
17 years ago
Yes, it does survive, in Quarry Tours area of Llechwedd. Unfortunatly it is not looked after as well as such a unique item should be and is rotting from the inside out! The other loco, COALITION, also still survives there.
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Thanks for that ... will look up during my next trip... I think things like this are great as they are unique. :thumbup:
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17 years ago
If you havn't seen them, there are a couple more shots on here:

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And there was a little discussion here:
http://www.aditnow.co.uk/community/viewtopic.aspx?t=822 

I'm sure I've got a couple more photos or scans somewhere... disappears under desk again...

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ICLOK
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17 years ago
I love the top shot as you can see the hole in the frames were the steam cylinders were fitted... excellent little rebuild... quite clever... will pass a link on to my Electric Loco mates who will love these. :thumbsup:
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Vanoord
17 years ago
On a sort-of related note (but not really), am I mistaken in thinking that part of the original Welsh Highland Railway (it may have been the Porthmadoc, Beddgelert and South Snowdon Railway) was intended to be electrified - as far back as around 1900?

That would pre-date this by a couple of decades, although if I recall correctly nothing was actually built and the locos were never delivered.

I would assume that the reason for electrifying quarry and mine tramways was for underground operation without the discharge of smoke, later supplanted as battery technology obviated the need for fixed wires?
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17 years ago
My mate mentioned re a proposal made for a Welsh NG route for electrification.... he's into electrics ,,, will have a sniff round and see if he can fill in the gaps.... If your willing to regauge and electrify I can do you some nice class 87's!
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Vanoord
17 years ago
"ICLOK" wrote:

My mate mentioned re a proposal made for a Welsh NG route for electrification.... he's into electrics ,,, will have a sniff round and see if he can fill in the gaps.... If your willing to regauge and electrify I can do you some nice class 87's!



And the lights dimmed in Beddgelert! :lol:
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17 years ago
They certainly did in Bulgaria!
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Vanoord
17 years ago
Bulgaria?
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17 years ago
That's where all the 87s are going isn't it?
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JohnnearCfon
17 years ago
"Vanoord" wrote:

On a sort-of related note (but not really), am I mistaken in thinking that part of the original Welsh Highland Railway (it may have been the Porthmadoc, Beddgelert and South Snowdon Railway) was intended to be electrified - as far back as around 1900?

That would pre-date this by a couple of decades, although if I recall correctly nothing was actually built and the locos were never delivered.



A fair amount of earthworks (and contractors' track laid) south of Rhyd Ddu. The route was also constructed(including the three tunnels) through the Aberglaslyn Pass.

The route PB&SS, most of which was constructed, immediately north of Beddgelert was on a different alignment. The reverse curves were much sharper and steeper due to the proposed use of electric traction. When the WHR was subsequently built in the 1920s the route in this area was changed to ease the curves also easing the gradient to a mere 1 in 40, I wonder what the PB&SS gradient was going to be! South of Beddgelert the route was changed too, the original bridge over the road still being extant as is a pair of retaining walls standing in the middle of a field with no embankment leading to them!

It is due to the need for clearence for overhead wires that caused the Aberglaslyn tunnels to be built to such a generous loading gauge that now enables the large Garrets to run through them.
hymac580c
17 years ago
The photo of the 'Eclipse' was taken by my brother when he came over for a visit from New Zealand. I have no other old photos of floor 5. But I have a video(dvd) made in 1974ish of men working at the bone and the floor 5 incline (now demolished) pulling a loaded wagon up and into floor 5 mill. Sawing slate at Maen mill and the incline lowering a wagon, loading a lorry at Maen etc. I cannot make copies of it as I had a hell of a job to get a copy myself and have sworn I would not make copies. But anyone is welcome to see it if they wish.

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17 years ago
Simon you are dead on... Bulgaria it is..... thats my project, I did the deal and run it .... 87007,8,26 are at Crewe about to go and 22,28 & 10 are work in progress at LM... then only 19 more to go ... sigh... I like my job... who needs a trainset when you've got the real thing.... lots of mining remains and stuff still going along their route out there around Pirdop and Bourgas... must look next time I go.

Still love oddities like the Eclipse.... we have a Peak Forest Quarry conversion of an Avonside steam loco at National Stone centre... its a diesel, strange looker but nice nevertheless.
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merddinemrys
17 years ago
Hi there ICLOK, you may be interested to look at a photo of Llechwedd's lesser known third electric locomotive "Welsh Pony" - there is a pic here http://www.gtj.org.uk/en/blowup1/22651 . I believe it still exists at the West Lancs Railway having been purchased from the Gloddfa Ganol collection when it was broken up.
hymac580c
17 years ago
There used to be an interesting remains of a locomotive that was improvised out of a loco chassis, a Morris Cowley engine and gearbox and a car bulkhead with a fabricated cab. It was made at the workshop at llechwedd I think in the 1940's. I remember it was inside floor 7 mill in the mid seventies, but was taken outside and on the tip when 7 mill was recommisioned about 1979.
The last I heard of it that it was at Quarry tours out of sight. I do not know if it is still there. Anyone any information??
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merddinemrys - keep em coming i love stuff like this.... perhaps I ought to find it and put it into Bulgarian livery..... that would confuse my customer.... I'm just amazed these oddities survive at all... glad they did.

Hi Hymac - a book on this stuff... loco oddities would sell I reckon... there must be loads of them if this is anything to go by. :thumbsup:
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