JohnnearCfon
18 years ago
Has anyone any idea why some "pits" are called "Sincs" and some are called "Twlls"?
merddinemrys
18 years ago
Local vernacular?
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18 years ago
I guess Twlls are opened out or, worked to reach underground chambers
& sincs: just un-galleried pit quarries 😉

eg: in Dinorwig they're called sincs, at cwt-y-bugail or whatever: - twlls
Kein geneis kanaf - Cain gnais canaf
Byt vndyd mwyhaf - byth onddyth moyav
Lliaws a bwyllaf - Líows o boylav
Ac a bryderaf - ac o boryddarav
Kyfarchaf y veird byt - covarcav yr vairth
Pryt nam dyweid - poryth na'm dowaith
Py gynheil y byt - Pa gonail y byth
Na syrch yn eissywyt - na soroc yn eishoyth
Neur byt bei syrchei - nour byth bai sorochai

grahami
18 years ago
Curious this - at Oakeley, and it's precedents, the open workings were not referred to as twll, as far as I am aware, they were always sinc. There was Sinc Fawr - the lower and middle quarry open working, and there was Sinc Fach, the old upper quarry open working. Twll was a hole, as in a drill hole, or referred to the underground. e.g.
baril twll - the socket of a drill hole.
ceg twll - the mouth of a drill hole
dyn twll - an underground man

twll on its own is described as a mine, or a shot hole.

This info from Termau'r chwarel, the list of terms published in Caban
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18 years ago
Out of interest, does anyone know which of these is welsh, and which is english?
Dinorwic
Dinorwig

Linden
Kein geneis kanaf - Cain gnais canaf
Byt vndyd mwyhaf - byth onddyth moyav
Lliaws a bwyllaf - Líows o boylav
Ac a bryderaf - ac o boryddarav
Kyfarchaf y veird byt - covarcav yr vairth
Pryt nam dyweid - poryth na'm dowaith
Py gynheil y byt - Pa gonail y byth
Na syrch yn eissywyt - na soroc yn eishoyth
Neur byt bei syrchei - nour byth bai sorochai

JohnnearCfon
18 years ago
Dinorwic = Saesneg
Dinorwig = Cymraeg
merddinemrys
18 years ago
No, its Chwareli!
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18 years ago
As in... Chwarel plural...?

:offtopic: :oops:
Kein geneis kanaf - Cain gnais canaf
Byt vndyd mwyhaf - byth onddyth moyav
Lliaws a bwyllaf - Líows o boylav
Ac a bryderaf - ac o boryddarav
Kyfarchaf y veird byt - covarcav yr vairth
Pryt nam dyweid - poryth na'm dowaith
Py gynheil y byt - Pa gonail y byth
Na syrch yn eissywyt - na soroc yn eishoyth
Neur byt bei syrchei - nour byth bai sorochai

merddinemrys
18 years ago
Yes, the plural of Chwarel is Chwareli.
grahami
18 years ago
Oh yes - I forgot - there was a small open quarry to the North of Sinc fawr at oakeley and which disappeared during the Great Fall. It was called "Twll Clai" - the clay hole - presumably because a quantity of clay was originally got from there or because the slate was under a clay slant. Twll Clai was actually in the Back Vein and marked its easternmost working in Oakeley.

Graham
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