devondorset
10 years ago
Hi, can someone confirm that the engine house shown in the albums on here housed the 90" engine fitted circa 1872?
Thanks Tony.
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spitfire
10 years ago
Harvey's engine was an 85"
spitfire
Tony Blair
10 years ago
spitfire
10 years ago
The question was about the engine house.
The engine and boiler house that now exist were built new for the 85" engine. The stack was from a former engine house that was demolished.
Source:- J Trounson

spitfire
devondorset
10 years ago
Hi, I'm asking because I bought most of the plans on Ebay, except the ground plan.
I had a quick look when in Redruth working last year, but the engine house and other buildings looked private.
The plans are dated 1872 and are by a Redruth engineer called Hocking. Would be nice to see some pics and correctly id its home.
Grateful for the replies.Tony.














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spitfire
10 years ago
"The Fresh Prince of Portreath" wrote:

Do you have a copy of "The Cornish Beam Engine?"

If you don't, get it.



Why?????
spitfire
devondorset
10 years ago
Hi chaps.
I had looked at Wikipedia, but as its not always accurate, and didn't say if the 90" engine house was still in existence, I though that asking on a specific mine exploring site might give me a better answer and some expert input!
I take it the building is gone then.
Many thanks for the replies. Best wishes, Tony.
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scooptram
10 years ago
Leans engine reporter may have some information ? cant find mine at the mo !
Yorkshireman
10 years ago

A few gleanings from the wonderful worldwide web:

GREAT WHEAL BUSY COPPER AND TIN MINE CHACEWATER

Is in the parish of Kenwyn, and about 6 miles from Truro, and close to the Chacewater station, on the West Cornwall Railway. Necessary Machinery is being erected, including a 90-inch pumping engine (erected) and a 70-inch engine with steam stamps, with 32 heads (but it is proposed to increase this number to 100); there is also a winding machine, with steam capstan attached, steam hammer, saw mills, etc. The sett is about 1 and 3 Quarters miles in length, and running east and west. There are several lodes transferring the sett, which have yielded in former workings large quantities of tin and copper. Jose's engine shaft is sunk 150 fathoms from adit, and Black Dog engine shaft 50 fathoms below adit. The company is on the costbook system, and is in 5,000 shares; £25,000 have been called up.

Managers & Pursers Messrs. LEAN JOSE AND COMPANY
Resident Agent Charles BISHOP

GREAT WHEAL BUSY MINES

Are in the parish of Kenwyn,m and within the mining district of Chacewater, 4 miles from the town of Truro. The nearest shipping place is at Hayle, 14 from the mine, and the nearest railway station is at Chacewater. The mine is held under a lease for 21 years , from 1855, at a royalty of 1-24th, granted by Viscount FALMOUTH; it is now worked for tin and copper. The company is on the costbook system, and consists of 5,000 shares of £10 each, with 50s paid representing a capital of £15,000

Purser John JOSE esq. Falmouth
Captain Charles BISHOP Redruth

The house at the Engine Shaft site has contained three different engines during its life; the first of these was an 85 inch cylinder Harvey-built engine, the installation of which prompted much celebration when the foundation stone was set in May 1856. Over 10,000 people are understood to have attended the event with many of these arriving by train courtesy of the West Cornwall Railway. The inauguration included a formal procession to the mine, a special service at Chacewater Church, a roast ox, and a celebration dinner for the adventurers followed by fireworks. Following the cessation of this working in 1868 the engine was sold, but in January 1872 a 90 inch engine was ordered from the Williams’ Perran Foundry at Perranarworthal which was installed and working on site by December that year. Known as Jose’s Engine, after one of the partners in the new venture, its life at the mine was to be only brief as it was submitted for auction in September 1873 following the mine’s closure. The engine house was to be reused for the third time in 1909 when a secondhand 85 inch engine was installed, also of Perran Foundry construction, and at this time the original attached boiler house was demolished and a new construction erected on the western side, to accommodate three Lancashire boilers.

This engine house, as is the case with many others across Cornwall, has held more than one engine during its operational lifetime, as the mine sett (the area leased from the land owner) was reworked by successive companies. A Harvey’s Hayle Foundry engine with an 85 inch diameter steam cylinder was first installed in 1856, this pumping from the Engine Shaft for 10 years until the partial closure of the mine in 1866. The house was next occupied by the Perran Foundry 90 inch cylinder machine in 1872, this working for only six months before being decommissioned in July the following year. Finally, a reconditioned 85 inch cylinder Perran engine was installed c.1909, this working until 1924. As was often the case with large beam engines on redundant mines in Cornwall, this was to stay unused in its house as there was no longer a commercial demand for steam pumps in mining. The engine was left to deteriorate and only succumbed to the attentions of the scrap man 28 years later, in 1952. Careful inspection of the engine cylinder bedstones (its foundation) reveals that these were most probably left in situ and reused from the brief working of the 1870s. The scaffolding erected to enable the consolidation of the chimney and engine house also afforded an excellent ‘aerial’ view of the bedstones, and close inspection of the photograph (below) reveals that these have been modified at some stage. Two of the six holes cut to accommodate the engine cylinder hold-down bolts appear to have been cut or roughly reshaped using a series of adjoining drill steel holes (see below). Presumably this was done to accommodate the smaller 85 inch cylinder at the time of the final working.



Tamarmole
10 years ago
"The Fresh Prince of Portreath" wrote:

"spitfire" wrote:

"The Fresh Prince of Portreath" wrote:

Do you have a copy of "The Cornish Beam Engine?"

If you don't, get it.



That sounds like a very good idea, The Cornish Beam Engine is a very good book and is full of interesting and informative information, particularly for the sort of chap who has clearly not googled his original question and obtained this:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheal_Busy 

Which contained the original answer to his original question.



There, fixed your reply into something more constructive and less willy waving.



Barton's Cornish Beam Engine is not a very good book. At best it is a curate's egg i.e. good in parts. (If I was a cynic I could suggest that the good parts were the parts that H.L. Douch was responsible for). However in parts it appears to be a work of fiction. Barton had a habit of bending facts to suit his preconceptions. The problem is compounded by poor referencing.

Barton's one real strength is that he was a very accessible writer, however this tends to obscure his very real failings as a serious mining historian.

royfellows
10 years ago
Thanks for this, I for one was unaware.
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royfellows
10 years ago
"The Fresh Prince of Portreath" wrote:



Regardless of that, I think the general message is a good introduction to the topic.



Fair comment I think by anyone's standard

The thing to remember is that there many out there who although deeply interested in mining and mining methods don't really understand the difference between atmospheric and steam pressure engines, a plunger pump and bucket lift, or the role played by balance bobs etc.
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