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Accuracy is important.

The abandonment plan looks a bit stretched and it's north is a bit out of whack. This should be taken as right. Engine Shaft on the lead lode is in the field with a cone over it. It's choked.

Well drillybilly what can i say ive been looking at your picture above and the amount of time i walked past this location i never knew a shaft was there location here

http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=50.254839&lon=-5.099444&z=18.8&r=0&src=msa 

i always be looking at the numerous shafts to the left of that location. Just really goes to show you need to fully explore anything in relation to the location any map you can find as the maps i have seen so many shafts etc not on the maps

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Newbie question so please all don't jump on me from a great height 😉

Where in relation to this house would be the shaft?

or can it just be anywhere

The reason i ask as upon looking south on the grw line found the shaft and what looks to be ruins close to it and upon looking at the picture above looks so much like the site.

Thanks

Just catching up with this will quickly have a read,

Hoping to have a visit to the location in the next day or 2 before ill finish for Christmas as after that wont be till the new year which hoping to explore a lot in more detail with some under ground explores when I've got everything I'll need

Shafts are usually pretty close to the non-chimney end of the engine house. However, there are exceptions. Some engines were above the shaft (Bull and some Watt engines), some were operated by a crank to a shaft in front of the engine house and operated other "stuff" (hingston down, south frances). Most of them were in front of the engine.

I'm still not 100% convinced that picture is the pumping engine. I'm pretty damn sure that the engine shaft is further up the hill (next to a massive crater filled with rubbish). The lead engine is on top of a hill. I still think it's probably the stamps/crusher or whatever else it was down towards the bottom of the stream. I think the 1880 map shows (or one of the other ones) the engine house and what looks like some dressing gear next to it. This looks like the layout of the bottom (near valley) engine.

The plans show no engine on tin lode (which had a 40" engine on it for starters) but show an engine on lead lode (which was the later working). Work then went back to the tin lode where an engine was rigged up on the west of the sett. According to collins 1912, it was a 30" engine.

To recap, since I've done a diagram.

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Step 1. Engine pumped from tin lode (40" engine). Engine perhaps the same house as the later one, perhaps it was elsewhere (like down in the valley) and used flat rods and worked stamps. A number of waterwheels were in use (HJ)

Step 2. Engine house located on lead lode, plans made showing no engine house on tin lode, each shaft looked to have horse whims on it.

Step 3. Engine house located on tin lode again. I think this is the one (with 30" engine) which is shown on the map.

My reasoning for suggesting that the engine in the photo is not the pumping engine (unless it pumped via rods) is that it appears to be too close to the bottom of the hill and that general scenery of crap is not shown on any of the maps, nor is a flattened site where it would be. If you look at the engine house next to the yellow splodge, not only does it have what appears to be some "stuff" next to it, it is pretty much the right orientation.

It does seem a bit of a strange place to have an engine. Where do the boilers go? Where do your stamps go? However, it is also not on a lode. Considering it is mentioned that they had a number of waterwheels in operation, it's a fair assessment to assume these were for stamping. However, the earlier tin operation was slightly more vigorous (with a bigger engine) and maybe they used a steam stamps. This would involve rooting through the mining journal, which would be the next step.

I would go as far to arrogantly suggest that if that postcard is labelled North Jane Pumping Engine, it is wrong.

upon re looking at the map the view of the house in the picture is where you marked on the map the layout and location to the picture is pretty much spot on visited about 3 days ago and upon viewing the picture and exploring the location again its so alike will visit again and take a shot of the location im guessing is where that picture is taken

I realise the thread is a year old; hopefully that isn't punishable by death round these parts ;)

If you're still looking at North Jane this may help a little.

Info came from here, and matches the descriptions in Dines.
http://www.cornwall.gov.uk/media/3642405/TruroThreemilestoneSUDS_Stage1_ScopingSummary.pdf 

Plotted on aerial map:


From left to right, top row shows shafts, those being Western Footway, Gossams, New, Kerr's footway, Kerr's. Underneath the three adits close to the river.

I've found the eastern adit (Deep Adit) and it doesn't look like you'd want to go in there. Very small and roof doesn't look very stable.

Found one adit on the west side (near a gate) and again it doesn't look like anyone would/could go in. The third adit I only found on the plans today and will visit it soon.

PS, this is my first post here, if anyone wants to look at mines round my way (Truro), would be nice to have some company now and again!

I realise the thread is a year old; hopefully that isn't punishable by death round these parts

Where do you think you are? UK Caving

I've found the eastern adit (Deep Adit) and it doesn't look like you'd want to go in there. Very small and roof doesn't look very stable.

Found one adit on the west side (near a gate) and again it doesn't look like anyone would/could go in.

You would't believe what some people get up to in wetsuits. And no its not me on the wrong website
:lol:

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From the 1907 6" geology maps. The MRO plan isn't as clear as it could be.

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From the 1907 6" geology maps. The MRO plan isn't as clear as it could be.

Btw, where are you getting your MRO plans from? North Jane (R299) is the one I was told was lost (by the County Records Office).

N Jane plans were there earlier this year. They sometimes go awol for a bit..

So this is the west most adit, I believe.



After I improved the drainage a bit:



The water is bubbling up from below through course sandy stuff. I'm tempted to "improve" it some more with a pick axe.

JCB would be the thing, I'll be in like a ferret next time down.

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The higher horizon adits draining show all is not well.

I have a hunch that it's probably going to be a wet and collapsey experience.

If you are wandering the fields, I have yet to have a look at these. ~

http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=50.257013&lon=-5.110461&z=17.4&r=4&src=msl 

I couldn't find the other adit in the west. There are supposed to be two that run parallel. The other comes out near to the railway line, a little NE of the one in the photo. But that one is not draining anything, and could I suppose have been covered over when they doubled the line.

The deep adit in the SE has a decent amount of water coming out of it, but so does the one I photo'd. Newb question, but why is the upper adit draining a bad thing?

It could suggest that things have come down in there.

It is more likely that adits on the west were originally driven to intersect and facilitate development of quite a major area of stoping around Western Ladder, Gossan and New shaft. Both western ladder and the adjacent gossan shafts are connected "to the railway line" by adits. The portals are about as far apart as the shafts are. Both adits have adit shafts "a nadge" inside them. Say 60ft or so. Later on, the major development seems to be around Kerr's Shaft, which is the engine shaft. The deep adit is at a slightly lower horizon than the ones on the west. This does a dog leg in a crosscourse (which may be heavily timbered and may have collapsed) and picks up the displaced tin lode before running out through the lead lode and out via a number of adit shafts. Note the shafts on the old maps/geo 6".

Engine shaft (2) is at the far east of Lead Lode. The next shaft to it is Bull's Shaft. Looking at the section, it would appear there is an unconnected and deeper working on that. Perhaps the shaft had a bull engine on it.

The higher horizon adits draining show all is not well.

I have a hunch that it's probably going to be a wet and collapsey experience.

If you are wandering the fields, I have yet to have a look at these. ~

http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=50.257013&lon=-5.110461&z=17.4&r=4&src=msl 

Went out there today, took a few photos. Not a lot to see, sadly. But here you go:
http://imgur.com/a/95Azw#5 

[1-2] Mitchell shaft, hadn't snapped that one yet ;)

Triangular shaped wooded bit south of road, east of houses: a capped shaft well hidden (you can't see it from the road).

[3-6] Just SW of cursor, in field: a large mound, with gorse on top. No sign of a shaft, if there is one it is buried.

[7-10] Pointy extrusion from hedge just NE of cursor: a capped shaft, well hidden in gorse and brambles. Not visible until you're on top of it.

[11-13] Mound in next field, NE of 1st field: a large mound, flat on top, overgrown completely. No sign of a shaft or cap, but could be one under the vegetation.

[14-16] In next field, NE, at bend in dirt track: a large triangular mound, covered in stones. No sign of a shaft.

There is a giant rubbish crater up there somewhere, which I presume is engine shaft on tin lode.....whatever it's called again. In a load of knotweed.

The shafts were capped by operation minecap in the 80s and no real records, apart from anecdotes from some of the remaining staff remain. The later shaft capping programmes were documented properly and tended to be visited by Cornwall Archaeological Unit before and during operations. These records are hiding in the back of the studies library....go in and ask to see the Shaft Capping Records.

The information is available via Cornwall Council's interactive mapping doofer.

Go to cornwall council interactive mapping site.

Click "historical" on the left hand menu.

Click "Event record" and zoom into your area of interest.

Hey presto, hours of fun!

Given the locality of N Jane, it is probable that anything open was used as a bin for many years and they probably had to clear mounds of rubbish out of the way to cap the shafts.

Ah, cheers for that. Funny how all of the maps have a different set of shafts, but none have them all...

I've not found a tip that matches your description. The only thing that comes close is the area where you've plotted New Shaft (as yet not found by me). There is a whole load of knotweed there, and a quarry with some old tractor tyres at the bottom. But no sign at all of the shaft. It's not a big quarry either, so not exactly "giant". Probably not what you're talking about.

Haven't found Engine Shaft on lead lode yet either. Or Ready Money shaft which is supposed to be right next to Kerrs. I guess they could just have been buried with no visible trace.

I realise the thread is a year old; hopefully that isn't punishable by death round these parts ;)

If you're still looking at North Jane this may help a little.

Info came from here, and matches the descriptions in Dines.
http://www.cornwall.gov.uk/media/3642405/TruroThreemilestoneSUDS_Stage1_ScopingSummary.pdf 

Plotted on aerial map:


From left to right, top row shows shafts, those being Western Footway, Gossams, New, Kerr's footway, Kerr's. Underneath the three adits close to the river.

I've found the eastern adit (Deep Adit) and it doesn't look like you'd want to go in there. Very small and roof doesn't look very stable.

Found one adit on the west side (near a gate) and again it doesn't look like anyone would/could go in. The third adit I only found on the plans today and will visit it soon.

PS, this is my first post here, if anyone wants to look at mines round my way (Truro), would be nice to have some company now and again!

Welcome k9wazere,

Many thanks for the info, will take a look. Found most stuff around that area but always good to go back have a re look at the site so much to see much more then be seen from many roads

ps looking at your maps done your homework will have to go back look as seems i have missed a few things.

Thanks and welcome again