These two photos were taken in 1993. I am confident that TV mast is the one near Carnkie. I have browsed the albums but haven't found any photos that match this pair of engine houses. I think the second photo is inside one of these, but can't be sure. Does anyone recognise this location please?

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Pascoe's shaft whim engine house South Wheal Francis?

May have got this wrong. Winder house with the pumping house in background.

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Hello Peter.
Yes it's Grenville stamps.
Anything connected with Grenville should be uploaded under Grenville United and not as others have been doing.
This data base really is a mess!
Paul

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Thanks, Spitfire. I agree about the database. There are often two or more entries for what superficially appears to be the same mine. This might be a problem compounded by several factors.

1. Several people adding mines at various times, independently.
2. The same plot of ground being worked at different times by different mining companies often in conjunction with other mines nearby under a different name.
3. Mines with complex names being recorded severally in different ways. e.g. South Wheal Frances, Frances South, SOUTH FRANCES, and so on.

Even if someone sat down to rationalise it all, no doubt arguments would start up about which shaft belongd to which mine, and whether the wrong database entry had been removed etc etc.

I sometimes think we have it easy in the south east where on the whole, we don't have names for the many small sites, and can make them up for ourselves at no risk of contradiction.

My apologies for giving misleading information. 😞

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To be clear, as it isn't from the above, the left photo is Pascoe's Shaft (South Wheal Frances), and the right photo is Grenville stamps engine house.

I agree with what you said before and South Wheal Frances shouldn't be a problem. It's history wasn't that complicated and it could easily be cleared up except of course, as you know, we have the problem moving the photos. I think Simon is working on it.
Crofty is another one but with a slightly more complicated history that could be cleaned up and simplified.

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Yes that is right Peter.
Just in case anyone gets the wrong idea; I do not blame anyone that lives outside the county for uploading to the wrong albums. It is difficult enough for those of us that live here!

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I agree with what you said before and South Wheal Frances shouldn't be a problem. It's history wasn't that complicated and it could easily be cleared up except of course, as you know, we have the problem moving the photos. I think Simon is working on it.
Crofty is another one but with a slightly more complicated history that could be cleaned up and simplified.

I can move my own, and if anyone shows me I have loaded photos in the wrong gallery, just let me know and explain why so I won't make the same mistake twice!

Ref South Francis: it all depends what is meant by complicated. All the buildings that stand at Marriotts shaft and daubuz' shaft should be under Basset Mines Ltd as they were erectd by that company, only Pascoe's should be under the former.
Would it not be easier to upload as: Basset Mines Ltd ( South Francis Section)?

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It would appear that the way the SW England mines have been added is possibly different to other areas (well North Wales anyway). Here the mine is given a name and that is kept to, often it has had several owners, but the mine name remains the same. Maybe that is where the confusion and uneccessary duplication has come about?

Indeed. At one time I suspect South Crofty were working something like the equivalent of 20 nineteenth century mining setts. No doubt a Cornishman will give us chapter and verse on this! But the point is a photo of the late 20th century operations would quite rightly have been posted under South Crofty, whereas a photo from 50 years earlier might have been posted under Dolcoath, for example.

Ref South Francis: it all depends what is meant by complicated. All the buildings that stand at Marriotts shaft and daubuz' shaft should be under Basset Mines Ltd as they were erectd by that company, only Pascoe's should be under the former.
Would it not be easier to upload as: Basset Mines Ltd ( South Francis Section)?

I tried to cover this Paul by linking the separate entry of Marriott's Shaft with Basset Ltd using the MSF. Also in the rather lengthy descriptions. So in theory it should be covered.

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Indeed. At one time I suspect South Crofty were working something like the equivalent of 20 nineteenth century mining setts. No doubt a Cornishman will give us chapter and verse on this! But the point is a photo of the late 20th century operations would quite rightly have been posted under South Crofty, whereas a photo from 50 years earlier might have been posted under Dolcoath, for example.

The opening paragraph from the introduction of Allen Buckley's book "South Crofty Mine".

South Crofty Mine lies at the centre of a metalliferous district which has seen mining for a variety of metals over many centuries. The present mine sett contains the workings of some thirty 18th century and well over a dozen 19th century mines, including some of the largest and most important tin and copper mines of the last 250 years. Dolcoath, North and South Roskear, Cam Brea, Tincroft, Cooks Kitchen and East Pool were among the largest copper producers of the 18th and early 19th centuries and the greatest tin mines of the 19th and early 20th centuries.

You could in theory upload photos of Robinson's Shaft into East Crofty but it would be slightly ridiculous which I think is the point that spitfire is making about Marriott's although the latter case is not as extreme.

Edit.
Small point but I'm not sure that newer members will know that the MSF link is found by scrolling down to the bottom right of the screen.

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I'm afraid this is not so. Robinsons shaft was sunk in 1906 by South Crofty and nothing to do with East Crofty theory or not.
A little knowledge is dangerous

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I'm afraid this is not so. Robinsons shaft was sunk in 1906 by South Crofty and nothing to do with East Crofty theory or not.
A little knowledge is dangerous

I quite agree. There was a Robinson's Shaft shown on the 1851 plan of East Crofty that appears more or less in the position of the present one. I take it then there was no connection between these shafts?

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That's right

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