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If there are any mineral railway engine buffs present, I know there is at least one πŸ˜‰, these are some of the engines used on the above.

0-6-2ST Pioneer. The engine was built by the Yorkshire Engine Co. in 1903, works no. 757, and had odd front buffers.

0-6-0 Trewithen. The engine was built by Manning Wardle in 1886, works no. 994 and was scrapped during 1901.

0-6-0 Pentewan was also built by Manning Wardle in 1874, works no. 461. Withdrawn in 1886 and scrapped in 1896.

0-6-2ST Canopus which was also a product of Manning Wardle, works no. 1547. Built in 1901. It later worked at WD West Drayton.



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Peter Burgess
17 years ago
I love that little line - it isn't mentioned much. Did it carry from the clay pits exclusively, or did it serve any mines as well?
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I believe some tin and copper mines used it. Also some stone quarries.
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There was a siding near London Apprentice which served Polgooth Mine.
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Interesting choice of locomotives, especially the 0-6-2T's.
And also very short working lives for 2 of them, amazing they were not re-sold for other use apart from the one. Mannings were highly regarded some were in use for 60 years or more.
I will check with IRS/ILS and see if we can get further history.

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JohnnearCfon
17 years ago
The area around the port was subsequently used by another 2' 6" gauge line. This had a branch running down onto and along the beach for collecting gravel. They used 2 (or possibly 3) Ruston & Hornsby locos. As recently as the late 1970s early 80s track was still in situ around the quayside and onto the stone pier. There was also a timber trestle section for loading ships from the wagons. I am not sure if this dated from the original line. There was an interesting article in Model Railway News circa 1966.
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2'6" might just do it!! Not a common gauge hence may be not have been re-saleable.... Any pics anyone?


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"JohnnearCfon" wrote:

The area around the port was subsequently used by another 2' 6" gauge line. This had a branch running down onto and along the beach for collecting gravel. They used 2 (or possibly 3) Ruston & Hornsby locos. As recently as the late 1970s early 80s track was still in situ around the quayside and onto the stone pier. There was also a timber trestle section for loading ships from the wagons. I am not sure if this dated from the original line. There was an interesting article in Model Railway News circa 1966.



That's quite interesting because according to my info. reservoirs were constructed at the port to flush out accumalations of clay, sand and other minerals from the harbour, but despite this measure the harbour eventually became completely silted up and unusable. This led to the demise of the line in 1918.
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JohnnearCfon
17 years ago
Twelveheads Press used to publish two books on the railway.

The Pentewan Railway, by M.J.T. Lewis Under consideration for reprinting
ISBN 0 906294 04 5 (Hardback), 0 906294 05 3 (Card covers) Published 1981
A narrow gauge railway serving the china clay industry of Cornwall and the Georgian harbour of Pentewan, rebuilt in the 1870s by the international engineer John Barraclough Fell.

and

Rail & Sail to Pentewan, by John Henry Drew
ISBN 0 906294 12 6 Published 1986
J.H. Drew was fireman and his father the driver of the Pentewan Railway's steam locomotives. Their very accurate memories have been edited by Dr Michael Lewis to give an excellent account of life and work in a small Cornish community.
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"ICLOK" wrote:

2'6" might just do it!! Not a common gauge hence may be not have been re-saleable.... Any pics anyone?



Only in a book, including a rare photo of the 1874 Pentewan.
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JohnnearCfon
17 years ago
"carnkie" wrote:


That's quite interesting because according to my info. reservoirs were constructed at the port to flush out accumalations of clay, sand and other minerals from the harbour, but despite this measure the harbour eventually became completely silted up and unusable. This led to the demise of the line in 1918.



Yes, it did lead to the closure of the original line. Only the section around the port was reused (or relaid?). Plus the branch I mentioned in previous post. I beleive they still had continual problems with silting though. Indeed, when I visited after the later line had closed, the harbour mouth was again silted up. The loco shed (not the one on the peir) was unlocked and I was shown the two Rustons. I can't remember any wagons though. The shed at land end of peir still was standing, doorless, this had incredibly steep down gradient into it and I am sure there must have been mishaps!
JohnnearCfon
17 years ago
I have just uploaded a couple of photos of Pentewen I took circa 1978. They are not good quality as they were only taken with a 126 camera. I thought I had taken some earlier than that but they do not seem to appear in my log book.
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Ta Much :thumbsup:
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Ben Fisher
17 years ago
"carnkie" wrote:

If there are any mineral railway engine buffs present, I know there is at least one πŸ˜‰, these are some of the engines used on the above.

0-6-2ST Pioneer. The engine was built by the Yorkshire Engine Co. in 1903, works no. 757, and had odd front buffers.


2-6-2ST, not 0-6-2ST, a one-off prototype bought second hand from the military. I'll get me anorak... πŸ˜‰

There's quite a bit about the tender locos Pentewan and Trewithen in a booklet by Ted Wade (published by the Narrow Gauge Railway Society about 20 years ago) about the patent railways of John Barraclough Fell. Their design, and that of parts of the railway (e.g. the trestle at Pentewan) were based on his theories about light track and long wheelbases (not the same thing as his better known gripper rail system).
JohnnearCfon
17 years ago
I was sure I had taken a photo of the trestle on the quayside but I have gone right through my photo log books twice and cannot find it!
Peter Burgess
17 years ago
I'm uploading a few photos from 1989 at the moment, including the wooden trestle.
JohnnearCfon
17 years ago
Great photos Peter. You can see from the photo how steep the gradient was down into that shed! I was sure I had taken a photo of that (I don't think it had doors when I saw it) but can't locate that either! Time for the men in white coats to call for me!
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The gradient from the St. Austell yard to Pentewan was 114 feet. Just been a knock at the door. The white coats have arrived. Night all. The anorak is going to a charity shop.
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Come on.... wake up.... I have questions...Gradients like that? were the loads heavy on the route in its hey day?...
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JohnnearCfon
17 years ago
The gradient I was referring to was the short very steep gradient into the shed as shown in this photo.

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