Split from the 'Who had it best' thread...

Lets face it, on a trip[ like this, you can take as long as you like.. if you start deviating and looking things, you could be in there for days. I think we took about 10hrs 😉

Indeed, be interesting to see what the longest, not too contrived route you could do it by is. Include the Brownley round-trip maybe? One for a fitter man than me I fear though. :surrender:

Ah yes, it was about 10 hours. And very gruelling I found it too 🙂 I'd like to know how hard going knee deep water is compared to walking on a solid surface. Deep water is great, you just bob along, but towards the end in Brownley Hill and
Nentsberry Haggs I was beginning to wonder if I was going to make it :lol:

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Photographs will be required to provide proof you survived! :flowers:

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Photographs will be required to provide proof you survived! :flowers:

Are you not planning a visit in the not too distant future Mr V.

First weekend in September... Mrs.Vanoord is running over the hills and I intend to be under them 🙂

I'm sure a similar torturous trip could be arranged by the good Colonel so you can experience it for yourself :lol:

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He wouldn't like it Jimbo. Vanoord is not built for crawling... Jagman's 10 crawls would not suit him at all :devil: :devil:

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Is "I'd like to know how hard going knee deep water is compared to walking on a solid surface" the only question here ?
Much !
This could be a very short thread :lol:

I'm guessing the thread is really about traverse routes.

How about ways from Capelcleugh to Smallcleugh as a starter for 10 ?
We've been via the double-rise after Middlecleugh Sump and through the North Flats via Bogg Shaft.

Personally I though the latter was the clear winner in terms of scenery, but I imagine massively more time consuming.

Vanoord complains a lot when required to bend and stoop and is thus more often found in nice big slatey chambers, built for people more than 4' tall!

And yes, one is meant to be in the Lake District in a few short weeks: must arrange somewhere to stay and something to do. I may have drunkenly promised Mrs.Vanoord-to-be that I'd take her "somewhere nice" if I was allowed to play underground.

I have a nasty suspicion that "somewhere nice" equals "somewhere expensive" though... 😞

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He wouldn't like it Jimbo. Vanoord is not built for crawling... Jagman's 10 crawls would not suit him at all :devil: :devil:

They aren't Jagmans!
Jagman can no longer get his shoulders into some of them.....

Vanoord has nothing to worry about I think, he'll post through them fine :lol:

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I'm guessing the thread is really about traverse routes.

Maybe this is a bit contrived (alright it is), but if you could just find one link it would be a mega trip, my route would be:

In CC Horse Level, to the toilet junction, up Archers Rise along CC High Level towards Bogg’s Shaft, then (finding the open link to the re-belay shaft and drop into the flats above CC vein, then down the ladders back into CC Horse Level, along the normal route to SC, up the calcified ladder onto SC Horse Level, then down the incline and up into the Middlecleugh 2nd Sun Vein stopes at Pickering’s Rise, cut across to Longcleugh Vein and head for Cow Hill Cross Vein, before that, drop into the 1st sublevel, then take another drop into a 2nd sublevel, carry on along until you get to the bottom of Atkinson’s Sump. Prussik up (pre-rigged) that, and you emerge back in SC Horse Level past Barron’s Sump Chamber, to Barron’s Sump and back out to the main SC Horse Level via Old Carr’s Cross Vein. To the Hydraulic Shaft, and down to Rampgill Hangingshaw Branch. Head for Scaleburn Vein and drop down to the Brownley Hill Horse Level. Pick up the rise to the BH High Level and do the normal circular coming out on the Brownley Hill Vein, drop to Nentsberry Hagg’s and out.

No repeated ground, just very long and you would need a team to do the rigging beforehand. Just thought of another addition, if you could really find a willing rigging team then you could add in a exit via surface shaft (100m prussik out, not in one go) and then back down another (130m abseil, 30 + 100m), getting silly now… or is it?

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Vanoord has nothing to worry about I think, he'll post through them fine :lol:

Could always twist him about a bit by the feet until he fits 😉

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In CC Horse Level, to the toilet junction, up Archers Rise along CC High Level towards Bogg’s Shaft, then (finding the open link to the re-belay shaft and drop into the flats above CC vein, then down the ladders back into CC Horse Level, along the normal route to SC, up the calcified ladder onto SC Horse Level, then down the incline and up into the Middlecleugh 2nd Sun Vein stopes at Pickering’s Rise, cut across to Longcleugh Vein and head for Cow Hill Cross Vein, before that, drop into the 1st sublevel, then take another drop into a 2nd sublevel, carry on along until you get to the bottom of Atkinson’s Sump. Prussik up (pre-rigged) that, and you emerge back in SC Horse Level past Barron’s Sump Chamber, to Barron’s Sump and back out to the main SC Horse Level via Old Carr’s Cross Vein. To the Hydraulic Shaft, and down to Rampgill Hangingshaw Branch. Head for Scaleburn Vein and drop down to the Brownley Hill Horse Level. Pick up the rise to the BH High Level and do the normal circular coming out on the Brownley Hill Vein, drop to Nentsberry Hagg’s and out.

No repeated ground, just very long and you would need a team to do the rigging beforehand. Just thought of another addition, if you could really find a willing rigging team then you could add in a exit via surface shaft (100m prussik out, not in one go) and then back down another (130m abseil, 30 + 100m), getting silly now… or is it?

Fascinating.
Would one be able to do that on an evening do you think or would it require a whole day to be set aside?

Best attempted on a Sat morning after a late one in the Miners, with a view to getting out for another visit to the Miners in the evening - this could actually be mid trip....

Assuming 10 hours for the normal one, maybe another 10 for the extra's, and maybe some extra time for getting very slow.

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I'm guessing the thread is really about traverse routes.

Maybe this is a bit contrived (alright it is), but if you could just find one link it would be a mega trip, my route would be:

In CC Horse Level, to the toilet junction, up Archers Rise along CC High Level towards Bogg’s Shaft, then (finding the open link to the re-belay shaft and drop into the flats above CC vein, then down the ladders back into CC Horse Level, along the normal route to SC, up the calcified ladder onto SC Horse Level, then down the incline and up into the Middlecleugh 2nd Sun Vein stopes at Pickering’s Rise, cut across to Longcleugh Vein and head for Cow Hill Cross Vein, before that, drop into the 1st sublevel, then take another drop into a 2nd sublevel, carry on along until you get to the bottom of Atkinson’s Sump. Prussik up (pre-rigged) that, and you emerge back in SC Horse Level past Barron’s Sump Chamber, to Barron’s Sump and back out to the main SC Horse Level via Old Carr’s Cross Vein. To the Hydraulic Shaft, and down to Rampgill Hangingshaw Branch. Head for Scaleburn Vein and drop down to the Brownley Hill Horse Level. Pick up the rise to the BH High Level and do the normal circular coming out on the Brownley Hill Vein, drop to Nentsberry Hagg’s and out.

No repeated ground, just very long and you would need a team to do the rigging beforehand. Just thought of another addition, if you could really find a willing rigging team then you could add in a exit via surface shaft (100m prussik out, not in one go) and then back down another (130m abseil, 30 + 100m), getting silly now… or is it?

and back again........ 😉

I'm guessing the thread is really about traverse routes.

Maybe this is a bit contrived (alright it is), but if you could just find one link it would be a mega trip, my route would be:

In CC Horse Level, to the toilet junction, up Archers Rise along CC High Level towards Bogg’s Shaft, then (finding the open link to the re-belay shaft and drop into the flats above CC vein, then down the ladders back into CC Horse Level, along the normal route to SC, up the calcified ladder onto SC Horse Level, then down the incline and up into the Middlecleugh 2nd Sun Vein stopes at Pickering’s Rise, cut across to Longcleugh Vein and head for Cow Hill Cross Vein, before that, drop into the 1st sublevel, then take another drop into a 2nd sublevel, carry on along until you get to the bottom of Atkinson’s Sump. Prussik up (pre-rigged) that, and you emerge back in SC Horse Level past Barron’s Sump Chamber, to Barron’s Sump and back out to the main SC Horse Level via Old Carr’s Cross Vein. To the Hydraulic Shaft, and down to Rampgill Hangingshaw Branch. Head for Scaleburn Vein and drop down to the Brownley Hill Horse Level. Pick up the rise to the BH High Level and do the normal circular coming out on the Brownley Hill Vein, drop to Nentsberry Hagg’s and out.

No repeated ground, just very long and you would need a team to do the rigging beforehand. Just thought of another addition, if you could really find a willing rigging team then you could add in a exit via surface shaft (100m prussik out, not in one go) and then back down another (130m abseil, 30 + 100m), getting silly now… or is it?

and back again........ 😉

Weeell, if that's...

Pub > Mine > Pub > Mine > Pub > Pub (for good measure) > Mine > Pub > Mine > Pub it could be a long (and messy) day!

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Weeell, if that's...

Pub > Mine > Pub > Mine > Pub > Pub (for good measure) > Mine > Pub > Mine > Pub it could be a long (and messy) day!

Oh I dunno about that. What better place to sleep off a hangover than gently floating down a flooded horse level on a lilo?

In a few years time when some keen diggers have done their stuff, maybe a through trip will be possible from Whitesikes (sp?) into Caplecleugh, Smallcleugh, Rampgill, down the engine shaft, and out via the Barney Craig level..........

Some serious work required first though.

Chris.

uhhhhhhhh, errrrrrrrrrr MR !!!

In ref to the Barney Craig Level, does anyone know who rigged up the sump that used to be flooded in Rampgill (the one where the XC is to the big kibble).

It looks like a death trap to go down it, but that does go the BC level, admittedly on the wrong side of Rampgill Shaft.

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Well, (cough), I can't quite recall who rigged it. However, I have descended it a short way into what looked like a side-level. However it was an alcove rather than a level. I didn't dare descend any further. Maybe some nutcase will give it a go.....

Indeed it is all rather portable.

Chris.

I've looked at that a couple times in the last month or so and walked away both times as it looked vile. Didn't notice any rigging/bolts though in fairness didn't look beyond the state of the drop itself.

It's not very inviting is it, or are we all soft 😉

I was there once having a little potter around when it was flooded, and a large rock came away and rolled towards my friend, it glanced his hand, if he had not be as quick, it would have squashed his arm!

Nasty business.

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