PeteJ
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A question: the existing large concrete structure at Harworth (as seen in the photos)- is this a headframe+ bunker +winder ?

Updating our list of headframes and I want to make sure that I am getting the terminology right.
Pete Jackson
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davetidza
9 years ago
Hi Pete,

The large concrete structure which I presume you are referring to is a tower-mounted Koepe winder. A Koepe winder depended on friction to drive the ropes over the drum. Typically, there would be 3 or 4 ropes used in the shaft, and these would pass over the drum without being wound around it. There were two sorts of Koepe winders - floor mounted and tower mounted. Latterly tower mounted winders were the vogue. The winder was in the box at the top of the headgear and the cables came up from the cage and over the drum, and then back down again. The drum itself would be clad in a highly frictional material, and the action of the winder depended on this friction. In shafts with a single skip winder it was usual to have either a second set of cables which went around a pulley system in the shaft sump and then back up to the drive drum, or a counter-balance system.

At one time you could find many examples of Koepe winders around - in the 60's as an apprentice I had a tour of the Koepe winder at Shirebrook Colliery which was driven by a D.C. motor. The arcing that was produced by the valve-type rectifiers (and please don't ask me what exactly these were) was mighty impressive.

As a matter of interest, the first Koepe winder to be installed in the U.K. was in your part of the world at Plenmeller Colliery.

Dave Williams
PeteJ
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9 years ago
Dave, thanks.

From published photos, the Harworth structure has the drum at the top, and enough height for the skip to discharge into a bunker.

I must also thank Cuban Bloodhound - my word search had not found his last list update. Much wiser now.

Updated list to follow shortly.
Pete Jackson
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Mr.C
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9 years ago
"davetidza" wrote:

Hi Pete,

The large concrete structure which I presume you are referring to is a tower-mounted Koepe winder.
Dave Williams



Dave, a late & well known surveyor & photographer of our acquaintance always maintained that the ones in towers were not Koepes. On several occasions, he made a point of correcting me with "they're not Koepes, they're tower mounted friction winders". 😉
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davetidza
9 years ago
I suspect he would have had his 'pedants' hat on.

A quick Google finds Bridon Ropes - who manufacture the ropes for winders - refer to them as 'Friction or Koepe Hoists'.

http://www.bridon.com/x/downloads/undergroundmining/technical_information.pdf 

It might be more correct to say 'Koepe-type Winders'.
staffordshirechina
9 years ago
It's a bit like 'all diggers are JCBs' or 'all vacuum cleaners are Hoovers'.
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9 years ago
"staffordshirechina" wrote:

It's a bit like 'all diggers are JCBs' or 'all vacuum cleaners are Hoovers'.


I was going to say that!
(Wish Paul was still here to wear his "pedants hat" though.)

Back slightly more on topic, this time last year I took some photos of Harworth when passing.
When I showed them to my dad (Roy Cs brother for Les's benefit) he told me that my Grandad Cooper & is mate worked there during the depression.
They cycled from Stoke looking for work & got set on there.
They cycle commuted from Talke Pits for quite some time, traveling at weekend & on more than one occasion with tyres stuffed with grass in order to save money buying new inner tubes!
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Morlock
7 years ago
"davetidza" wrote:

The arcing that was produced by the valve-type rectifiers (and please don't ask me what exactly these were) was mighty impressive.



Mercury arc rectifier.

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