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Just seen pics of Hudeshope West mine. When did that name come into existence? We always knew it as Fangio's level and it is sometimes called Newberry Scar level. Which is correct?
christwigg
8 years ago
As with many levels its probably gone by many names over the years.

Fangios comes from a bloke who worked it in the 70s/80s (I think). A nickname from the speed he drove his van around.

Its called "Hudeshope West" on a SAMUK survey from 1972

"Newberry Scar" from its geographic location.

I wouldn't care to make a definitive "right" judgement.
legendrider
8 years ago
chimes pretty well with accepted lore in t'dale, Chris; we always just called it Fangio's. I guess they will at sometime have had a definitive name for legal purposes.

MARK
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8 years ago
If it's on a SAMUK plan then presumably Jim Foster-Smith got the name from somewhere....or just decided that's what he was going to call it. Wonder if SAMUK had a Hudeshope east.
moorlandmineral
8 years ago
"legendrider" wrote:

chimes pretty well with accepted lore in t'dale, Chris; we always just called it Fangio's. I guess they will at sometime have had a definitive name for legal purposes.

MARK


A reference to the great Argentinian Juan Manuel Fangio I believe ;D
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8 years ago
"sparlad" wrote:

Just seen pics of Hudeshope West mine. When did that name come into existence? We always knew it as Fangio's level and it is sometimes called Newberry Scar level. Which is correct?



Should our convention be the name used by the last working mine company? ( assuming that we can find that name....)
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8 years ago
I'll be seeing Fange later today at a funeral, one of the local mining legends sadly passed away last week. He's going to be a massive miss to me and many others

I will ask Fange about it if I get the opportunity.

there's likely to be much mining talk going on

Not many places he didn't work over his lifetime, and many many new levels/ventures he started as well
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Jim MacPherson
8 years ago
This one of Dad's collection of slides was annotated West Hudeshope Fluorspar Mine after abandonment - but with no date (he was not always spot-on).

🔗112131[linkphoto]112131[/linkphoto][/link]

Legendrider tells me it's not as it doesn't have the side pillars but it is, probably, a relatively new level, while it's not the best photo ever it would be quite good to know where it belongs.

Jim
legendrider
8 years ago
Just to compare and contrast Jim's photo and a known contemporary pic of the portal:

[photo]16856[/photo]

The steel braces atop the uprights
The longitudinal wood roof supports above the lintel

however the rail branch to the North seems to support it being HW.

also, the sunlight in Jims photo is striking the portal at about 45deg, seems a bit high for an east facing aspect! Perfect for a south-facing portal though.

just food for thought, I'm willing to be proved wrong! Does JM's photo pre-date a reconstruction of the portal??

Anyone any ideas on this?

MARK
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moorlandmineral
8 years ago
"legendrider" wrote:

Just to compare and contrast Jim's photo and a known contemporary pic of the portal:

[photo]16856[/photo]

The steel braces atop the uprights
The longitudinal wood roof supports above the lintel

however the rail branch to the North seems to support it being HW.

also, the sunlight in Jims photo is striking the portal at about 45deg, seems a bit high for an east facing aspect! Perfect for a south-facing portal though.

just food for thought, I'm willing to be proved wrong! Does JM's photo pre-date a reconstruction of the portal??

Anyone any ideas on this?

MARK


Also large buttress of solid rock on the left rather difficult to hide in a hurry ;D
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8 years ago
There is also a modern adit entrance on the east side of the valley. Not much visible now, but the photo may be of that entrance.,
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sparty_lea
8 years ago
the way the ground is running both sides it could well be the one on the east that is now just about buried.
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Jim MacPherson
8 years ago
That's two votes so far, does the adit have a name? Perhaps the fabled Hudeshope east from earlier in the thread!

To be fair to JFM out of his 300ish annotated mining photos only two or three were miles out so somewhere around Hudeshope makes sense.

I plan to trot over to Pike Law next week so I may make a detour on the way back and see what might still be visible.

Jim
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8 years ago
"PeteJ" wrote:

There is also a modern adit entrance on the east side of the valley. Not much visible now, but the photo may be of that entrance.,



Given your comment Pete and sparty_lea's could this be the remains you are referring to?

🔗112182[linkphoto]112182[/linkphoto][/link]

It's rather collapsed and I did wonder if it was an old lime kiln but as it seems to be on a spring that's probably unlikely, none of the stone courses seem to clearly match those on JFM's photo but there is quite a lot of spoil dumped between the track and the beck.

Correction, I've just looked at the 25 inch 1896 map and it does say Old Limekiln

To add to the confusion of names, Hudeshope is referred to as Hudeshope Head on the 1896 6 inch OS map and what is Hudeshopehead on AN is just called Old Level on that map.

Jim
sparty_lea
8 years ago
Not the one I was thinking of no.
Its upstream and on the opposite bank of the burn, near to where a very obvious spring rises. As I recall you can actually get into it but just for a meter or two.
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Jim MacPherson
8 years ago
Hi sparty_lea,

By opposite do you mean the west side of Hudeshope Beck and upstream would that be past Newberry Scar? The trouble at the moment everything is a bit vegetated so it's not easy to see obscure bits.

Jim
Jim MacPherson
8 years ago
"legendrider" wrote:

chimes pretty well with accepted lore in t'dale, Chris; we always just called it Fangio's. I guess they will at sometime have had a definitive name for legal purposes.

MARK



Having wandered elsewhere on the threads, as happens sometimes, is Fangio also known as Malcolm Brown?

As regards Mark's comment about mine acoustics on yet another thread, I do remember one or two cave crawls where the noise of heart beat resonated, or perhaps it could have just been blind panic:curse:

Jim
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Fangio, better known as simply fange, is Malcolm brown
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poosticker83
8 years ago
https://www.aditnow.co.uk/Photo/Hudeshope-East-Level_112271/ 

This is the portal I think you may mean, east side of hudeshope valley, near the foot of racketgill hushes.

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