simonrl
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13 years ago
Most lamp builders i know of (Roy, Mr Mike, Speedy Caver erc), seem to favour Cree LEDs?

http://www.cree.com/led-components-and-modules/products/xlamp/discrete-directional/xlamp-xpg 

http://www.cree.com/led-components-and-modules/products/xlamp/discrete-directional/xlamp-xml 

Thanks

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Vanoord
13 years ago
XM-L U2 ?

Currently knocking out just under 900 lumens in real-world applications.


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ChrisJC
13 years ago
I used XM-L's as they were the brightest I could find when I specced them. I considered Seoul P7's, but they were larger as I recall.

11300lm results here:
http://www.cowdery.org.uk/gloworm.php 

Chris.

simonrl
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13 years ago
"ChrisJC" wrote:

I used XM-L's as they were the brightest I could find when I specced them. I considered Seoul P7's, but they were larger as I recall.

11300lm results here:
http://www.cowdery.org.uk/gloworm.php 

Chris.



😮

I seem to recall you having that with you when we bumped into you at the Tanygrisiau cafe a while ago - but had no idea it would be quite that bright!
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Vanoord
13 years ago
That said, the S2 seems to be the 'production' emitter of choice at the moment.

Some questions about the tint of the S2 though, apparently it's a bit greenish. Although the doughnut has gone.
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simonrl
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13 years ago
"Vanoord" wrote:

That said, the S2 seems to be the 'production' emitter of choice at the moment.

Some questions about the tint of the S2 though, apparently it's a bit greenish. Although the doughnut has gone.



http://www.cree.com/led-components-and-modules/products/xlamp  :flowers:
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royfellows
13 years ago
"Vanoord" wrote:

XM-L U2 ?

Currently knocking out just under 900 lumens in real-world applications.



The T6 is 920 at 3 amps but I have very severe misgivings about driving at full power. (see the data sheet)
I drive them at 2.75 amps max in my Trigon.

The U BINS put out even more light.

This is from the data sheets, but beware the header which sugests 1000 lumens.

Roys conversion factors:

Cree lumens = real lumens X 1.1
Hong Kong lumens = real lumens X 1.5
eBay lumens = real lumens X 2

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Vanoord
13 years ago
"simonrl" wrote:

"Vanoord" wrote:

That said, the S2 seems to be the 'production' emitter of choice at the moment.

Some questions about the tint of the S2 though, apparently it's a bit greenish. Although the doughnut has gone.



http://www.cree.com/led-components-and-modules/products/xlamp  :flowers:



Not showing for some reason.

The XP-G S2 is replacing the R5 in several Fenix lights imminently but generally seems to be in the 200-400 lumen bracket, depending on power source.

The XM-L U2 is a larger emitter which is delivering between 500 and 860 lumens, again depending on power source - the new TK35 uses a pair of 18650s to reach 860 lumens.

I'd broadly agree with Roy's assertion that there are different ways of measuring lumens, although it's a matter of pure physics that the lumens 'out the front' will be lower than those stated by the manufacturer for a given power supplied to a given emitter

Fenix are good in that (claim they) quote measured OTF lumens, which seems believable to me because when they switched over to measuring rather than calculating, the lumen output quoted for various lights actually decreased even though they were using newer emitters.

Incidentally, I think we're seeing the first significant jump in emitter output from Cree in the past 18 months or so - the S2 increase compared to the previous R5s is much more than the past two or three incremental increases.

Based on the last couple of years, I suspect we'll see something like an S3 or S4 bin in the next few months bringing another notch up, then another period of stagnation.
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Vanoord
13 years ago
It may all come down to emitter size - the bin specification is very different to the emitter type, ie an XP-G is 3.45mm x 3.45mm whereas an XM-L is 5mm x 5mm.

The XM-L is rated up to 1,040 lumens at 10W and the XP-G up to 493 lumens at 5W.

Going back a post, Fenix are claiming 860 lumens from the former and 400 lumens from the latter, so that's a loss of 15-20% thanks to circuitry, optics etc. - which seems reasonable.

Assuming that you're looking at putting an emitter into a lamp, the primary concerns have to be how much power you can supply to it; how big an emitter you can fit in; and how much heat you can dissipate.

Those constraints will push you towards the size of emitter you can use, then it's a case of choosing the bin to fine-tune.

Obviously, none of this applies to Chris, who appears to have chosen the emitter and then built the beast around it? :lol:
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Mr Mike
13 years ago
As always its swings and round abouts with all sorts of issues.

If you goal is make a light as efficient as possible then the latest generation of Cree XP-G2 LED's offer 159lm/W, which is pretty phenomenal.

However if you are after convenience in using a single die for large output then as mentioned the latest XM-Ls are hitting over 1000lm @ 10W, no where near as good as using 10 single dies, but then simpler to drive.

A lot of these new higher outputs have been achieved by using silicon carbide semiconductors.
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ChrisJC
13 years ago
The Ledil lenses I have used spec 'up to 90%' optical efficiency; I have no idea how much that varies between lenses.

Chris.
ChrisJC
13 years ago
"royfellows" wrote:


The T6 is 920 at 3 amps but I have very severe misgivings about driving at full power. (see the data sheet)
I drive them at 2.75 amps max in my Trigon.



Provided you manage the thermal issues, and accept that the lifetime is reduced, and don't exceed the max rating (with is 3A), surely that's OK?

Chris.
NewStuff
13 years ago
I've heard many Rumors of am impending XML-2. Might be wise to hold off. Even if You don't get the latest and greatest, it should push the prices of the T6 and U2 down.
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royfellows
13 years ago
"ChrisJC" wrote:

"royfellows" wrote:


The T6 is 920 at 3 amps but I have very severe misgivings about driving at full power. (see the data sheet)
I drive them at 2.75 amps max in my Trigon.



Provided you manage the thermal issues, and accept that the lifetime is reduced, and don't exceed the max rating (with is 3A), surely that's OK?

Chris.



Unless I am behind with my information, Fenix, a name I trust, only push the XM-L in their torch to 2.5 amps, this supports my contention. Look at page 5 on the Cree data sheet, 3 amps looks very dodgy.

Also, apologies re my previous, I get it 910 lumens on a T6.

A final point is that one is faced with a law of diminishing returns relative to ones awareness of increases in output, especially lamps which have a very high output to start with.
Suppose your lamp outputs say 1500 lumens, you would have to have an increase of at least 25% before you notice any difference. It’s very likely due to the behaviour of the human eye.

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Strangely Brown
13 years ago
At 6000 lumens I think this is the most powerful available but it needs at least 12 volts, 80 Watts and is about £130 for the bare LED.

http://www.luminus.com/products/CSM-360.html 
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NewStuff
13 years ago
"owaincbrown" wrote:

At 6000 lumens I think this is the most powerful available but it needs at least 12 volts, 80 Watts and is about £130 for the bare LED.

http://www.luminus.com/products/CSM-360.html 



The problem with that is that the size of the Die makes it nigh-on impossible to focus that beam into anything coherent.
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Roy Morton
13 years ago
If you can muster up 30Volts (8 X 18650 in a 4 x 4 series parallel combo) thien this would make a stupedous photo light bomb. All you need to start is friendly philanthropist mine explorer.
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Roy Morton
13 years ago
If you can muster up 30Volts (8 X 18650 in a 4 x 4 series parallel combo) then this would make a stupendous photo light bomb. It has 9 of those big chip LED's 15,000 Lumens 😮

http://www.luminus.com/products/modules_7_747842536.pdf 

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Mr Mike
13 years ago
"owaincbrown" wrote:

At 6000 lumens I think this is the most powerful available but it needs at least 12 volts, 80 Watts and is about £130 for the bare LED.

http://www.luminus.com/products/CSM-360.html 



Most powerful are the Bridgelux LEDs, 8000lm @ 100lm/w and can be driven to 12000lm, voltage for portable apps is a bitch though at 36V
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Roy Morton
13 years ago
Mr Mike wrote - Most powerful are the Bridgelux LEDs, 8000lm @ 100lm/w and can be driven to 12000lm, voltage for portable apps is a bitch though at 36V



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