JohnnearCfon
12 years ago
I have had the full version of this film in my (VHS) collection for many years. It is a BTF film made, I believe in about 1961 or 62.



The film comprises a whole section of snippets showing how the railways have developed over the preceeding 100+ years and how freightliners are going back to the beginning of the technology.

The question is, has anyone any idea where that horse drawn snippet was filmed?
Ty Gwyn
12 years ago
That`s Pant Hywel Level near Llanelli,worked up to the early 60`s supplying fire clay to the near brick works.
christwigg
12 years ago
10 points, top spotting !

🔗Pant-Hwyel-Coal-Mine-Archive-Album-Image-54660[linkphoto]Pant-Hwyel-Coal-Mine-Archive-Album-Image-54660[/linkphoto][/link]
JohnnearCfon
12 years ago
Thanks for that!
Tamarmole
12 years ago
Smashing bit of film - possibly the most entertaining 44 seconds I have spent today.
TheBogieman
12 years ago
Brilliant bit of film!

And now a plug...

You should be able to see a hoss pulling slate waggons around the Ffestiniog Railway's Harbour Station between October 11th - 13th. As a follow on from our big do in May celebrating the arrival of the 'iron horse' that replaced the warm blooded 4-legged variety, we're taking everyone back to 1863 for our Vintage Weekend this year - Steam 150: 1863 And All That.

So, if you want to see how slate dug out from Cwmorthin or any of the holes in the mountains around Ffestiniog or Croesor got to the sea, come and have a look (and preferably, spend some money with us to help keep us going) There'll be more than a few lurkers from this forum taking part so say 'hello' to us if you come.

BFN

Clive


Explorans ad inferos
Graigfawr
12 years ago
"Ty Gwyn" wrote:

That`s Pant Hywel Level near Llanelli,worked up to the early 60`s supplying fire clay to the near brick works.



Misidentified I'm afraid. Its Stradey Level which latterly used the abandoned Pant Hywel Slant [Pant Howell in many records] as an airway - hence the confusion in names. As the two seams (pwll Little and Pwll Big) worked by Stradey Level were worked at outcrop at the top of the hill by a number of small mines (of which Pant Hywel was one), connections existed between Stradey Level workings and most, if not all of these smaller mines.

The Stradey Level workings also joined to Pwll (or Pool) Colliery deep workings to the south and west, and shallow workings from Penllech Colliery and Pwll Nos. 1 and 2 Levels to the west.

Stradey Level had c.1830s origins and worked intermittently until the 1850s, was briefly reopened in the 1890s, and then reopened in 1980 and worked consistently until final abandonment in 1967. From 1908 to 1967 Stradey Level was in common ownership with Stradey Brickworks (built 1908) to which it was connected by the horse drawn 22 inch gauge tramway shown in the film. The brickworks ceased burning bricks prior to 1966 and, until closure in 1979, merely milled clay, imported by road after the mine closed in 1967.

The 1897 reopening was unusual in as much as it was not so much for the colliery to be worked, but mainly for a tramway to be driven as an underground incline up through the old workings to emerge high on the hill at outcrop, from where a surface incline descended to the hamlet of Cwmbach, where the tramway squeezed beneath the road bridge over the Afon Cwmmawr, and then ran along the north bank of the river to Cyncoed (or Cwmbach) Colliery. Coal from Cyncoed Colliery, which was being opened by the grandly named 'Llanelly Colliery Company' travelled along this tramway and, from Stradey Colliery portal, ran down the tramway shown in the film to just north of where Stradey Brickworks was later built, from where it was transhipped to a lengthy standard gauge siding that ran due east across the flat land immediately south of the A484 road for a mile to join the Llanelly & Mynydd Mawr Railway a little south of Sandy Bridge. This very long transport route with its main-and-tail haulage through old workings and over the hill must have been expensive to operate. The company collapsed after scarcely two years and the tramway and siding were lifted.

I surveyed the accessible workings, the tramway and the brickworks in the late 1970s immediately prior to the works closing. The pug mill and brickpress are now in Kidwelly Industrial Museum. A brick mould and a brick from this works, both inscribed 'Stradd' are on display at the National Waterfront Museum in Swansea. As well as refractory bricks, the works also produced steelworks ladle refractories (sleeves, nozzles, and stoppers).

The cast iron bridge at the entrance of the Stradey Level was put in place at the reopening of 1897. The bridge bore the inscription 'Waddle / 1845 / Lanmore' having been cast by Hugh Waddle's Lanmore Foundry in Llanelli. This was one of two successive foundries he owned with the same name. As the second replaced the first around 1845, it is unclear at which foundry the bridge was cast; not to be confused with the similarly named but entirely unrelated Glanmor Foundry in Llanelli. The original location of the cast iron components is unknown but it had been designed to be erected on a marked skew. When re-erected at Stradey Level the cast iron components were utilsed upsidedown. The bridge abutments (and also the facade of the arched entrance to the level with its '1897' keystone) collapsed into the river in the early to mid 1980s and disappeared during river cleaning / straightening in the mid to late 1980s.

The arched tunnel which carried the tramway beneath the A484 was replaced by a precast concrete straucture in the early 1980s and at the start of 2013 this was utilised for a flood relief channel for the Afon Dulais.
Ty Gwyn
12 years ago
Good write up as usual Graigfawr.

It was the photo of the bridge that caught my eye,rather unique,when i first saw it on the Welshcoalmines forum.

The write up on the site,done by Phil Cullen, differs slightly to yours,as in he refers to Pant Hywel working pillars of the old Stradey Colliery.

Personally,i don`t know the history,but if yours is correct,then we need to change the details on the Welshcoalmines forum.

I sent Phil a link of the U-tube video John posted,thinking he would be interested,if he has`nt seen it,not had a reply as yet,but will contact him again regarding this differing history of the Colliery.
Graigfawr
12 years ago
Thank you Ty Gwyn - I appreciate your comment.

Phil Cullen's write up is not incorrect as Pant Hywel was initially developed during one of the periods that Stradey Level was disused and, as Stradey level had worked far towards the crop, Pant Hywel was indeed partly working Stradey Level pillars. Subsequently, after the two sets of works were connected and Stradely Level recommenced work, Stradey Level seems to have formally designated one of the Pant Hywel slants as an airway. The area was worked for coal, reworked for coal and clay, and further reworked mainly for clay. Various entries (mainly slants) on the crop operated intermittently during times that levels and pits at the base of the hill intermittently worked. The complexities of which entries reworked which older entries' old workings is well-nigh impossible to fully untangle as there is incomplete plan coverage, especially for much of the pre-twentieth century workings.


As far as I have been able to work out, Pant Hywel initially (1906-15 when owned by Joseph Evans & Brothers of Pwll, trading as Pant Howell Colliery Co) worked old Stradey Level nineteenth century pillars near outcrop from a level or slant at SN 487 015, draining their workings via Stradey Level - and almost certainly also using Stradey Level as an airway as the c.150 ft. altitude difference would have provided an efective natural ventialtion current. The slant used by Messrs. Evans was the uphill exit to the Llanelly Colliery Company's underground tramway of 1897. After Messrs Evans sold Pant Hywel to D.J.Griffiths of Cross hands in 1916, the new owners drove a new level or slant at SN 481 016 (driven simultaneously from both surface and from the extremity of Evanses' workings underground) to work a different area of Stradey Level nineteenth century pillars, and again used Stradey Level for drainage and, undoubtedly,ventilation also. It was this slant of c.1917 that was in use at the time of abandonment in 1925. Both the Evanses' and Griffiths's enterprises were very small scale, emplopying around a dozen men underground and one on surface (undoubtedly the winding engine driver). Two years after the Evanses had begun work, David Jones had built Stradey Brickworks and reopened Stradey Level to supply it with clay and coal. After Pant Hywel was abandoned in 1925, David Jones and later his son and successors, worked Stradey Level for a further forty years, seemingly to at least partly re-work a portion of Pant Hywel workingsto extract underclay as the Evanses and Griffoihs had concentrated on coal in pillars and seem to have ignored the clay. David Jones rarely employed more than half a dozen men underground and often fewer.

The portal of Stradey Level was originally, during its early and mid nineteenth century working, at SN 487 012, at the foot of the hill-slope. During its period of abandonment, from the mid nineteenth century to 1897, what is now referred to as Stradey Home Farm was built on the lefel land immediately south of the base of the hill. When the Llanelly Colliery Company reopned Stradey Level in 1897 they were obliged to construct a few hundred feet of shallow cut-and-cover tunnel to extend Stradey Level by about 100 yds to the south, beneath the Home Farm, with a new portal at SN 487 011. It is this latter portal that is shown in the photograph and on the 1960s film.

There is one error in my post of yesterday - the 1897 standard gauge siding (known at the time as the Marsh Railway) connected to the Stradey Estate Private Railway, not to the Llanelly & Mynydd Mawr Railway. Slight earthworks (the groundd it traversed was almost flat) and a substantial masonry bridge over the Nant Trebeddrod survived on the course of the Marsh Railway until the 1980s. Across one field the impressions of the wooden sleepers remained perfectly clear, from c.1901 when the track was lifted an sold following the collapse of the Llanelly Colliery Company - rather remarkable. given that eighty years had elapsed and that this was a heavily industrialised area.
Users browsing this topic

Disclaimer: Mine exploring can be quite dangerous, but then again it can be alright, it all depends on the weather. Please read the proper disclaimer.
© 2005 to 2023 AditNow.co.uk

Dedicated to the memory of Freda Lowe, who believed this was worth saving...