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The work to reinstate the Welsh Highland Railway work has now "turned the corner" onto the route of the Croesor Tramway - http://www.isengard.co.uk/ 

Here's a brief(ish) history of the tramway - all comments and corrections would be appreciated. I'll hopefully add a few pictures at some point if I get a nice day for a walk.

Construction

The route appears to have been based on a survey by Charles Easton Spooner made in early 1863 and was proposed by Hugh Beaver Roberts, a Bangor solicitor. Whilst the lower part of the line was built by means of a number of wayleaves, the upper part was built on land leased to the quarry owners, effectively making that part a private tramway.

By an odd quirk, the lower section - which was established by an Act of Parliament - should thus be referred to as the 'Croesor Tramway' whereas the upper (private) section would be the 'Croesor tramway'!

The tramway was planned for horse haulage only and was laid in 20lb/yard wrought iron rails on wooden sleepers: the majority of the route was easily built with the only major work required the Pont Croesor bridge over the Glaslyn which originally comprised 8 wooden spans of 25' on slate piers but had been replaced in 1922.


Operation

In 1865, the Croesor & Portmadoc Railway Act was passed, which incorporated the Croesor & Portmadoc Railway Co. (C&PR). The Tramway - the 4.5 miles section from Porthmadog to Carreg Hylldrem - was authorised to carry minerals, goods and passenger traffic. However, the tramway east of Carreg Hylldrem was not included and continued as a private enterprise.

The 1865 act also authorised the construction of a western extension to Borth-y-Gest - this was never built.

In 1869, Beaver Roberts proposed that the line be taken over by the Ffestiniog Railway, although this was rejected by the FR board and the line was subsequently mortgaged to a third party.

The 1870s saw a scheme to build a network of narrow gauge railways across north Wales, with Spooner as engineer. The 1872 North Wales Narrow Gauge Railways Act of 1872 authorised a number of lines including a new railway from the C&PR at what is now Croesor Junction to Betws-y-Coed: this would include the relaying of the track from Croesor Junction to Porthmadog at the expense of the North Wales Narrow Gauge Railway (NWNGR).

Whilst this scheme resulted to nothing initially, part of the NWNGR was built, from Dinas Junction to Snowdon Ranger and then on to Rhyd Ddu: however, the link to the Croesor Tramway was not achieved at this point.

In 1879, the C&PR was absorbed into the new Portmadoc, Croesor & Beddgelert Tram Railway Company (BC&BTR) by an Act of Parliament with the aim of building the link at Croesor Junction and extending to Beddgelert. However, this further plan failed to come to fruition and in 1882, the company was put into receivership.

In March 1901, the tramway was sold to the new Portmadoc, Beddgelert & South Snowdon Railway (PB&SSR) and in August of that year the company was incorporated by Act of Parliament. The private section to the east was unaffected by these transfers and continued to serve the quarries as before.

By now, the Croesor tramway had been extended up the valley to meet the new incline which served Rhosydd as well as Croesor. Working down the valley, the line also served Pant Mawr quarry (via two inclines), Parc (slab) and Parc quarries (both via small inclines).

The PB&SSR plan included the possible extension to Borth-y-gest, now to reach to Black Rock Sands. Furthermore, the line from Porthmadog to Beddgelert was to be electrified: during works to clear the trackbed for the WHR revival, some trace of posts was found, although these were more likely to have been for communication than electrification.

The work north was mostly completed by 1909 including the tunnels through the Aberglaslyn Pass: however, work came to a halt as the powers to construct lapsed.

The First World War interrupted work and the railway was not opened to passenger traffic until the summer of 1923. Considerable reconstruction was undertaken in 1922, including the Pont Croesor bridge: part of the impetus for completing the railway was that it provided a means of providing employment after the hostilities.

By 1927, the Welsh Highland Railway had slipped into receivership, although it continued to operate for another decade.


Closure

It seems that the tramway was completely out of use by 1937: by 1931, traffic from Croesor had ceased and the remaining production was sent by road. The lower section by then had WHR trains using it and although closure was first mooted in 1933, the Ffestioiog Railway leased the line for 42 years: however, the FR only ran the line for 3 years and the board did not open the line for the 1937 season.

The previous year, 1936, the 'private' section of the tramway had been offered for sale by auction, but failed to attract a buyer.

The WHR rails north of Croesor Junction had been lifted in 1941, but the route between Porthmadog and the quarries was left intact in case the quarries be reopened after the war. The majority of the rails along the Croesor Tramway were lifted in 1948/9, albeit that some lasted until the 1950s in the Croesor valley, where some re-use of the line was made to ferry provisions up and down to farms - with wagons being hauled by tractors.


Revival

In 1961, the Welsh Highland Railway Society was established with the aim of reviving the lower part of the Croesor tramway and the line north to Beddgelert. The Society acquired land in the 1970s (including the old exchange sidings in Porthmadog), culminating in new passenger services from 1980.

This (comparably) short length of track continues to run as a stub until it will be joined up to the revived Welsh Highland Railway (Caernarfon) which is now advancing down the Tramway route.

The recent work to Pont Croesor has seen the original (long-gone) wooden spans replaced by a steel bridge built by Brunswick Ironworks of Caernarfon. The new bridge is the longest on the WHR with an overall length of 65.25m.

According to the 1922 plans for the railway bridge deck the spans would all have been 24' (7.31m), in fact they vary from 7.21m to 7.56m thus necessitating careful design of the new deck.

Another notable modification to the route has been the realignment of the line at Croesor Junction so that the railway takes a more gentle curve, presumably in order to increase line speed.

Some minor deviations have also been introduced on the 'true' tramway section within Porthmadog where buildings have blocked the original route.


The future

In a few months, the WHR (Porthmadog) will be joined to the southbound WHR(C) track: 60 years after it was lifted, a large proportion of the route of the original Croesor Tramway will exist again - and next year passenger traffic will return again.
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JohnnearCfon
17 years ago
Just to correct one minor point.

Rails were still in situ on the section of the Croesor tramway between Croesor and Blaenycwm (at least) until late 60s/early 70s. They were then lifted by Welsh Highland Railway (1964) Company and most were relaid in the cutting north of Goat Tunnel. Some were still there until contractors removed them 3 or 4 years ago.
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17 years ago
Has the work in Portmadoc high street started yet? When do they think the first train will run?
It will be a great ride from Blaenau to Caernarfon!
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"Barney" wrote:

Has the work in Portmadoc high street started yet? When do they think the first train will run?
It will be a great ride from Blaenau to Caernarfon!



With regard to your second question.... this http://www.isengard.co.uk/  should help, as will the map at this http://www.isengard.co.uk/Phase%204_South_latest.pdf .

Simple answer seems to be that the line is being extended onto the 'harbour' branch alongside the existing WHR(P) tracks and that the Snowdon Street crossing will be put in shortly - I think Isengard has reported that the tramway rails have been delivered already? The point has been put in at the Porthmadog FR station, although the platform has been re-tarmaced over the stub - presumably this link will not be properly made until after the summer season?

As far as the first question is concerned, Merddinemrys may be the man to comment, but I believe it's next Easter that services will start, as the WHR have been prevented from running to / terminating at Beddgelert by the National Park Authority as it may cause congestion. (!)

Presumably the original route of the Croesor Tramway took it down onto the wharf?
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17 years ago
Don't forget that if you live in Gwynedd it is possible to buy a "residents discount card" which gives significant savings on the normal fares.
JohnnearCfon
17 years ago
It is planned to open Easter 2009. However it will not be possible to travel from Caernarfon therough to Blaenau, a change of trains will be neccessary at Harbour Station. Yes, the Croesor Tramway originally went to the Wharves at Porthmadog. The route the "new" WHR is taking has been slightly altered from the original route in the vicinity of the High Street crossing to save crossing the side road there at the same point.

The signs are up saying the work is about to start at High Street. They are currently working slightly further north. The specialtramway type rails were delivered some months ago.
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17 years ago
my farther when going thru his hobby cycles i.e b+w photography, caravans,etc he got into helping the Welsh Highland Railway[1964] when they had a work weekend to lift the remaining rails .It was about 1973-74 because i was about 10years old at the time ,and it was deemed by my mother that would be inapropriate for me to do so was dragged up to Croesor Quarry on a short walk ,when it was still been used to store explosives. SO THATS HOW IT STARTED FOR ME
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Hi Ladder Monkey! So you're going to take Oliver when it's finished?! Cheers, Gwyn. 😉
merddinemrys
17 years ago
"JohnnearCfon" wrote:

It is planned to open Easter 2009. However it will not be possible to travel from Caernarfon therough to Blaenau, a change of trains will be neccessary at Harbour Station.



There is nothing preventing through trains being run.
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"merddinemrys" wrote:

"JohnnearCfon" wrote:

It is planned to open Easter 2009. However it will not be possible to travel from Caernarfon therough to Blaenau, a change of trains will be neccessary at Harbour Station.



There is nothing preventing through trains being run.



Presumably as long as FR rolling stock is used?

The idea of trying to get one of the big Garretts to Blaenau Ffestiniog, whilst initially appealing, might not be entirely successful...
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merddinemrys
17 years ago
A Garratt wouldn't fit. A Welsh Highland coach does fit up the whole FR line - very tightly apart from through the short tunnel! Perhaps the original route around the hill should be reinstated?
JohnnearCfon
17 years ago
I don't think any of the new generation of WHR coaches can venture further north than the road bridge about 1/2 mile north of Boston Lodge. It is a shame that when that bridge was rebuilt in mid 1960s it wasn't rebuilt to a slightly bigger loading gauge.
merddinemrys
17 years ago
When the coaches get rebuilt at Boston Lodge they are delivered to Minffordd by road and taken through Rhiw Plas Road Bridge by rail. It isn't the limiting factor it once was.

As I say, Winson open coach 2020 was tested up the line and made the trip from Porthmadog to Garnedd Tunnel South Portal, and from Blaenau to the North Portal without trouble. The three newer coaches are a metre longer so until these get tested I can't say whether they fit or not.
JohnnearCfon
17 years ago
Sorry to correct you Merddin, the Romanian coach was delivered to the layby immediately south of that bridge and craned onto the railway from there. Photos are on www.isengard.co.uk I think others have been unloaded via temporary track laid adjacent to Spooners Bar.
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I suppose it's relatively academic as they don't fit through the tunnel, so they're not going to get to Blaenau!

I presume there's no reason why an FR train shouldn't go to Caernarfon though, presuming it can cope with the gradient on the way up to Rhyd Ddu?

Does the WHR have steeper climbs than the FR - or is it merely the weight of the rolling stock / length of trains that causes the perceived problem? (ie the apparent requirement for a larger diesel than Castell Caernarfon to cope with hauling a failed train (plus dead Garrett) from Beddgelert up to Rhyd Ddu?
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merddinemrys
17 years ago
The Romanian coach is a lot taller than the 'Standard' Welsh Highland coaches. The ones built to the same profile as the Winson Engineering Coaches get delivered to and from Boston Lodge via Minffordd Yard.
merddinemrys
17 years ago
And just in case nobody believes me! Here is a link to a photograph of a Welsh Highland Coach being taken away from Minffordd yard by road. All of the Welsh Highland coaches except the Romanian Coach were delivered and removed in this way.

When the railway rebuilt the Welshpool and Llanfair's MAV car, this was taken away by some temporary track laid over the platform in Porthmadog and had no connection with the new Welsh Highland Railway apart from passing roughly over its new route.

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