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Roy Morton
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13 years ago

A curiosity post here, something that was brough to my attention the other day...Many thanks Paul :thumbup:

Three questions;
1 - Where is this engine house ?
2 - What book will I find it in ?
3 - What mine do they say it is ?
P.S. Spitfire does not need to answer this and he knows why 😉

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chriscambo25
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13 years ago

If I had to guess Id say its the view from the Bissoe Tin Stream and Ochre works. but im not certain.

Roy Morton
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13 years ago

It's a good guess, and one I would have gone with a week ago, but check out the other pics of Nangiles and compare the windows.

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"But I''m not Chinese!"
"Then you must have forgotten something!"

stuey
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13 years ago

The tip doesn't look high enough for nangiles. Although it is very similar.

If I could turn the engine house 90 degrees clockwise, I'd say Charlotte United. It appears to be an odd angle, but the setup was similar.

royfellows
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13 years ago

"stuey" wrote:

If I could turn the engine house 90 degrees clockwise, I'd say Charlotte United. It appears to be an odd angle, but the setup was similar.

This came into my head at first, but as you say the engine house wrong way round. The valley and tip profile and placement of the engine house suggested Chapel Coombe to me at first.

My avatar is a poor likeness.

spitfire
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13 years ago

"stuey" wrote:
The tip doesn't look high enough for nangiles. Although it is very similar.

If I could turn the engine house 90 degrees clockwise, I'd say Charlotte United. It appears to be an odd angle, but the setup was similar.

If you could turn it upside down it could be in Australia 😉

spitfire

stuey
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13 years ago

Having said, we assume that the photos are of current engine houses.

It is very unlikely, but possible that photos exist of engine houses which were subsequently replaced. Or, ones on a different shaft which were demolished.

Nangiles had one of these IIRC. Nangiles shaft had the last engine, but there was an earlier one behind it. I'm sure I've read that the last house was relatively recent.

I'm going to stick my neck out and say it isn't in Cornwall.

spitfire
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13 years ago

"stuey" wrote:
Having said, we assume that the photos are of current engine houses.

It is very unlikely, but possible that photos exist of engine houses which were subsequently replaced. Or, ones on a different shaft which were demolished.

Nangiles had one of these IIRC. Nangiles shaft had the last engine, but there was an earlier one behind it. I'm sure I've read that the last house was relatively recent.

I'm going to stick my neck out and say it isn't in Cornwall.

It makes sense to say that but it is in Cornwall

spitfire

royfellows
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13 years ago

Now I stick my kneck out, dont all laugh at once.

Not a stream works, dont know what the "T" structure is but to its left is a set of stamps, water is being brought in by a launder, there are buddles centre left.
Photo is old, at a guess early 20th C, and yet the engine house has been long stripped out, so the mine was finished some time before the photo taken. What we are looking at is an operation to retreat the dumps. Maybe mine knocked before demand for tin, so tin discarded on the dumps.

The aformentioned "T" is something to do with the mechanism driving the stamps, zooming in, do I see a waterwheel in there?

So there, typical of me I tell you everything except the answers to your questions, I could have had a good career in politics.

My avatar is a poor likeness.

stuey
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13 years ago

#10

Google Streetview doesn't go down Trevellas Porth!

It actually does and is worth a look. I can't seem to get it to look in the right direction. It's not matey's funny tin streams place??!?!

toadstone
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13 years ago

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"royfellows" wrote:

"stuey" wrote:

If I could turn the engine house 90 degrees clockwise, I'd say Charlotte United. It appears to be an odd angle, but the setup was similar.

This came into my head at first, but as you say the engine house wrong way round. The valley and tip profile and placement of the engine house suggested Chapel Coombe to me at first.

If the picture is from a negative glass plate it could quite easily be the wrong way round, especially if reproduced some years later by someone who doesn't know the site. I'm always cautious when viewing old prints.

Pete.

spitfire
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13 years ago

#12

It is printed in the correct way

spitfire

Roy Morton
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13 years ago

#13

Ok folks, I've been away for a few days and I'm just catching up on the thread.
It seems that there's a distinct possibility that the enginehouse in the photo is North (Wheal) Jane.
As was pointed out to me, the window openings are wrong for Nangiles, and one of the wing walls is missing, sheared off to bob platt level.
I'm sure that this picture has been published as Nangiles, but as yet I can't seem to find which book I saw it in.
If this is indeed North Jane, then this picture is probably the only image of that mine in existence.
Any other info from anyone out there will be much appreciated and maybe we can nail the identity down without any doubt.
I feel pretty sure it is Nth Jane. The terrain certainly fits and I would guess that this picture is looking West with the railway on the right of the enginehouse.
Comments or views anyone?

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Alasdair Neill
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13 years ago

#14

Just looked at the 1st edn 25" map & everything fits for the engine house right next to the railway, EXCEPT the orientation of the engine house seems to be 90 degrees out?? Seems to have gone by the time the second edition was surveyed.

Alasdair Neill
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13 years ago

#15

Also the house seems further out on the tip the that shown on the map so may be a different house, not shown on the map.

spitfire
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13 years ago

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"Alasdair Neill" wrote:
Also the house seems further out on the tip the that shown on the map so may be a different house, not shown on the map.

I have a similar photo of the engine house taken from slightly different angle. On the right of the engine hose there is a line of poles which would appear to be the telegraph poles on the GWR main line. I think what Roy has said is spot on and this is North Wheal Jane.

spitfire

spitfire
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13 years ago

#17

I knew I had it somewhere Roy, judging by the state of the sheds in the foreground I would think it is slightly earlier. The poles that I referred to are on the right of the house on the skyline.

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exspelio
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13 years ago

#18

Lovely piccies, would be interesting to get the dates of them as an indicator to rate of decay, notice the tree to the right of the hill has not changed much but the gable on the house has gone

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spitfire
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13 years ago

#19

You're right well spotted, so that makes it later not earlier.
It was marked as a ruin on the first edition map and by the second edition it had gone.

spitfire

exspelio
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13 years ago

#20

Are we back to that "spot the differences" quiz? 🙂

Always remember, nature is in charge, get it wrong and it is you who suffers!.