Yep the one that would give you a map of known shafts and "heritage" areas, which also gave shaft details and capping refs when you clicked on the info button.

Will have a look at M.E site.

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In Cornwall, the 1888 6" show pretty much the same detail as the 25". Some of the 190? 2nd edition are better than the first. As far as I'm concerned, having both series of 6" maps is sufficient for my needs, which is locating holes accurately.

In North Wales there is a considerable difference in what is shown on the two scales. Particularly in regard to details of building shapes and railway layouts. Maybe for "just finding holes" 6 inch are adequate, for anything more detailed such as how the layout af a quarry or mine surface features changed they are not. You only have to look at some of the 25 inch maps uploaded by GrahamI and Lister to see that.

Well heard late this afternoon from the Os OpenSpace Team re my question on old OS mapping this is the reply:

Hi

Sorry, OS no longer supply any historical map products.

Kind regards

Alan
OS OpenSpace Team

So that puts a lid on that. Sorry folks. In the meantime I'm working on alternatives 😉

Peter.

Well heard late this afternoon from the Os OpenSpace Team re my question on old OS mapping this is the reply:

Hi

Sorry, OS no longer supply any historical map products.

Kind regards

Alan
OS OpenSpace Team

So that puts a lid on that. Sorry folks. In the meantime I'm working on alternatives 😉

Peter.

Being an optimist at heart, this could also mean "Sorry, we don't SELL old maps any more".

Could this mean someone is working on free access?

Cheers

I think the point is that OS don't sell historical data because they have passed that over to Landmark - there is still the chance that Landmark are reworking their coding to avoid Flash. Otherwise why still leave all the FAQ etc. on the Enhanced zoom on the website ? We can live in hope......

Cheers

Grahami

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I found at least one or two Net sites selling 6inch to 1 mile whole old map scans for less than £10 (£2.50 cheapest so far), but coverage of the UK is not 100%.
If anyone is going to buy a map, old maps seems the most expensive - it doesn't cost that much to use Hi res scanning and tidy the image up.
Over the years many maps have been uploaded to the document database on this site anyway, so the mine name search should be the first option.

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I think the problem lies with the fact that in the civilian world at least, unless you commission your own measured survey in the way say, university Archaeological Departments or English Heritage do, the Ordinance Survey hold a de facto monopoly over topographical data, historical or otherwise, within the UK. Most of the discussion here has been about trying to get round the existing problem.

This presumably means that Landmark are themselves licensees, or have a binding agreement with the O/S regarding the onward sale of data.

My take on this that I can buy the latest bestseller on Amazon for say £12.95, or go to the V&A or Louvre websites and download fine art at no cost, and even, ho hum, download the music of my choice if I so choose but when it come specifically to maps you have to pay very handsomely from restricted sources.

I can’t see any prospect of open sourcing unless there is some change in the law.

The following may be of interest - especially some of the comments regarding the data such as Landmark did not record the survey dates (!) when scanning etc. It's the same data whether through the Edina digimap or the Old-Maps website, only the interfacing and some of the facilities offered by the interface are different. You may also notice the extremely restrictive terms of the agreement (and the cost)! Only applies to HE and FE institutions of course - and if you can convince the bill payers of its worth, I can't, sadly 😢

http://edina.ac.uk/digimap/description/historic_overview.shtml 
http://edina.ac.uk/digimap/support/faq_historicservice.shtml 
http://edina.ac.uk/digimap/landmarkterms.html 

Cheers

Grahami

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Looks very promising indeed, but it seems you need to belong to an accredited organisation to join and view.

Maybe I should do a flower arranging course at my local college!

http://www.anquet.com/  they have a range of proper digital OS maps from 1805 through to the latest editions, I like it because it syncs with my GPs so I can up & download waymarks & routes from it.

Also if you buy a map bundle it includes a gazeteer & height data.

Chris

As far as I can see (unless I have overlooked something) they only have 1 inch historical maps. No sign of 6 inch, 25 inch, or even 2½ inch historical maps.

Looking at the map manager in the software it's giving me the option to buy:

OS 1:25000 1:50000 current maps
OS 1805 - 1874
OS 1896 - 1904
OS 1919 - 1926
OS 1945 - 1948
Photo Map 10m
Photo Map 1m
Photo Map 3.3m
Groundranger
Harver Supscale
A to Z streetmaps

What scale are the OS 1805 - 1874, (they must surely be 1 inch??). Also what is the scale of the OS 1896 - 1904 and
OS 1919 - 1926? If they are only 1 inch, not much use to be honest.

Looks very promising indeed, but it seems you need to belong to an accredited organisation to join and view.

Maybe I should do a flower arranging course at my local college!

Let's refresh that, you need to wangle the username and password off someone who has one. There are probably a few on here.

Let's refresh that, you need to wangle the username and password off someone who has one. There are probably a few on here.

Fair enough - any takers?!

Let's refresh that, you need to wangle the username and password off someone who has one. There are probably a few on here.

Fair enough - any takers?!

Speaking with my network manager hat on for a moment, I think you miss the point. The EDINA service referred to is only available within (not remotely) a Uni or College which has signed up to (and paid for) the additional agreement. The poor s... who signs the agreement is agreeing to police it as well - especially the downloads etc. That fine print is very fine - and extensive. I know, I went though it all! (And I for one wouldn't like to be the one to sign up and police it.) Note that the service can be withdrawn or worse from an institution where a breach of the agreement is detected etc.

WRT usernames/passwords that would really be on dodgy ground - calling down the DPA and CMA law on your head apart from anything else. Anyone I found who is letting someone else use their ID to access the system would be on an instant account disabling and potentially disciplinary action as well. Don't even think about it! Identity theft is one thing we have to protect ourselves against but deliberately letting someone else use your ID is putting everything you have on a system at risk - including your reputation etc. etc. especially if to gives access to email.

Nope, that's out, we have to hope for/find another way.

Cheers

Grahami

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Well yes, exactly.

So the only way is to set ourselves up as a registered charity (on the Channel Islands, of course) with a name like the "North Yorkshire and Durham Lead Miner's Benevolent Fund" and ask if the OS and Landmark would like to kindly donate their collections of old maps for a good cause - namely us;D

I had a chat with JISC today, who primarily deal with centrally funded educational establishments and are not really able to help but could be a possible route.
The nice lady at JISC put me in touch with a company called Landmark (edited from original typo) who actually deal with the map data in a more useful way.
It seems that Old-Maps have removed the enhanced zoom because they believe that it is damaging their sales. I would think that it is unlikely and the removal might be more of an issue since people are going to be less inclined to buy a map they can't see properly. It is possible that the facility might come back but don't hold your breath.
It might be possible for some kind of licensing agreement to be reached with Landscape, I need to have a look at what they do and get back to them to talk in more detail.

What seems fairly likely is that there won't be any free access. It is possible that a reduced rate could be arranged for an organisation that could be set up for the purpose. The cost of the licence and those for hosting the website would need to be covered so some cost needs to come in.

It is possible that this could be done under the umbrella of NAMHO though it is likely to require an increase in organisation subs. Alternatively we could set up a group independently but there is a definite risk that sub paying forgetfulness would result in the service folding.

I will have a further chat with Landmark tomorrow and see what it would be likely to cost. I am currently looking at the old maps and possibly the geological maps as well.

Any ideas or suggestions?

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Good luck with your negotiations with Landmark.

I'm too lazy to go to the Landmark website - how much money are we talking about here by the way?