PeteJ
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I was helping someone recently to obtain some images of mining at Allenheads Mine during the time of the reopening by BSC. I recall that there were some mine explorers working with BSC during the reopening and I believe that they explored the old workings and underground waterwheel chambers at Gin Hill. Does anyone know whether any pictures exists from that time?
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jagman
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Not that I know of. I would have liked to see them if they did.
Sadly once the pumps were turned off the water level rose to about 60 feet from surface.
Apart from a short length of decline everything of the British Steel era is flooded.
PeteJ
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I have sourced some colour slides showing the driving of the Incline, Hagglunds car, and drilling at the foreheads. hope to be able to publish these eventually.
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staffordshirechina
14 years ago
Harry Parker took a lot of photos along with some other PDMHS members. Mike Luff now has access to Harry's pics plus some of his own.

I don't know what official photos still exist, I suspect none like most other BSC records but will ask a man who knows, 1st week of Feb.
John Lawson
14 years ago
Pete most of the P.D.M.H.S. Members of that time were taking photos of what was going on.
The following members should have these,although I am not sure about their wherabouts.
Bob Guthrie and John MacPherson because they lived locally kept in touch with the B.S.C. Management but what became of their efforts I do not know.
John MacNeil was a prolific photographer did his collection go to Earby?
The two Daves-Sergeant and Politt should also have photos and of course Mike Luff would have his own.
Hope this helps.
PeteJ
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Thank you all for your useful comments. I will follow-up
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sparty_lea
14 years ago
Ray Fairbairn has some of McNeils pics in his book on Allendale so presumably knows where to find access to them
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Those that understand binary and those that do not!
PeteJ
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14 years ago
Thank you - I have now been advised about the location of John's pictures.
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staffordshirechina
14 years ago
I have sent you a PM.
Sopwithfan
14 years ago
I'm a bit late on this one but I was one of the people who descended the old shaft in someone's back yard opposite the Allenheads Inn and went down to one of the waterwheels. The shaft was not very deep and the top waterwheel may still be above water level. The date would be the late 1960s and I think I was with explorers from NMRS. The names Bob Guthrie and John MacPherson ring a bell. I think the late John Owen was also with us. I may have dates etc in an old diary but that will take some finding and I can't remember if any photos were taken. Other trips included one into Fawside Level as far as Low Underground Shaft. As far as I can remember PDMHS involvement was later and I did not go with them.

Dave Greenwood
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12 years ago
John Lawson. Re your post of 20:48 on 30/5/13 on the MINCO thread.

PUMPING

I can’t recall pumping ever being a problem during the years between 1969 and 1981 when as a BSC Research Organisation Geologist I was a regular visitor to the BSC fluorspar mines, despite the workings at Whiteheaps, Groverake and Blackdene all being well below their respective valley floors. When I left BSC in 1981, the Whiteheaps workings had reached the Great Limestone at Sikehead and a drift was being driven back towards the Whiteheaps shafts; Groverake was down to the 80 Fathom Level with drainage via the Tailrace Level off the 30 Fathom Level; and Blackdene was one level down into the Whin. The only slight difficulty was at Whiteheaps which was at the end of a long electricity supply line and subject to a “Main Demand” limit which meant that the power needed for pumping had to be balanced against the needs of the flotation plant resulting in most pumping being done at night. I was not aware of any pumping problems at Allenheads and I can’t see why they could not have been overcome by installing more powerful pumps – unless as with Whiteheaps there was an issue over power supply.

DRAINAGE LEVELS.

The only drainage level from the old Allenheads workings that comes to the surface is the Haugh (or Hough) Level at about 1,170 ft AOD. The possibility of reopening this when work started at Allenheads was considered and the outlet from the adit was located where it ran into the East Allen but in the event it was considered too dangerous a proposition. I have a dye-line print that was taken from a fair copy of an old W B Lead Mine plan and section of the Gin Hill Shaft area at 40 ft = 1 in dated November 1857 that shows the four underground waterwheels and the Horse Track. The section shows the Haugh Level leaving the Gin Hill Shaft area in the Little Limestone just below the bottom of the lowest waterwheel although the accompanying the plan shows it in Burnt Umber ie in beds between the top of Little limestone and the base of the Firestone Sill. Clearly this is far too high to have any impact on workings in the Great Limestone although if it could have been used it would have reduced the pumping head.

WORKINGS TOWARDS THE WEST END.

In dewatering the mine it was necessary to drive west from the Main Incline back to Gin Hill Shaft in order to clear blockages and install pumps etc. but this is where operations should have stopped. All the evidence was that Old Vein was worked out probably by the end of the 18th century and, by the 19th century, workings simply amounted to minor scraping about in the old workings. In addition it was known the vein itself was poor. The description given by Crawhall and quoted in Dunham (1948 p 207 or 1990 p 168) that the vein in the Nattrass Gill Hazle was “strait and ridery, without spar and very little ore” is typical of references to Old Vein found in the old mining records and where it was seen in the Beaumont Mine workings. The only place where the vein carried appreciable amounts of fluorspar seems to have been in the Firestone Sill to the far west in an area where there is a considerable amount of fluorspar scattered about the surface. However, it was known that much of this material had been carted away from surface dumps and the fact that these workings were from shallow shafts into the Firestone Sill and were some of the earliest in the mine (possibly late 17th century) meant that the chance of any workable amounts of fluorspar being left was remote. In my opinion the 2,500 ft of driveage west of Gin Hill Shaft was a completely waste of time and the effort would have been better spent on reaching the south end of Henry’s Vein.

STOPING IN THE GREAT LIMESTONE.

I agree that it would have been necessary to have driven a level below the Great Limestone in order to rework this ground, however, at that stage in the development of Beaumont Mine it was not necessary to work that horizon for the reasons given below.

HENRY’S VEIN

Henry’s vein is something of an anomaly in the NPO. Firstly it strikes N30E rather than the usual N55-65E of the other lead veins and secondly it shows evidence of two major vein oreshoots. These look more like those seen on typical quarter-point veins and there is just a suggestion that they may have been caused by dextral transcurrent movement in the same way that the quarter-point oreshoots were created by sinistral movement. This is well illustrated by the plan and section in Dunham (1948 Plate IV and 1990 Fig 28).

Those diagrams, however, by no means give the full story and we had much more detail when we looked at a copy of the 1897 Abandonment Plans (formerly Mining Record Office No 3608) in the 1970s. These included a detailed geological section along Henry’s vein plotted at 40 ft = 1 in (the section was about 20 ft long) that also showed the stoped areas. The southern oreshoot is particularly impressive and is about 3,000 ft long in beds extending from the Slate Sills down to at least the Three Yard Limestone (the oreshoot does not appear to have been bottomed) with some impressive vein widths reaching over 20 ft in the Slate Sills and very respectable widths elsewhere (see Dunham 1948 p 209 and 1990 p 170). This oreshoot is of similar proportions to Groverake and should always have been kept as the main target for exploration at Beaumont Mine. Indeed if the time wasted on the Old Vein had been applied to Henry’s Vein the outcome of the story could well have been different.

BURTREE PASTURE MINE.

My reference to this was simply to illustrate the use of records of old lead workings being used as an exploration tool. It was not a comment on the success or failure of this project because I have no information on that aspect.

Dave Greenwood.

staffordshirechina
12 years ago
Dave,
If you were working for BSC at that time, would you have known David Elford, also a geologist?
Sopwithfan
12 years ago
Staffordshirechina
Yes. David was the resident Geologist at Scunthorpe and I was one of a team of Geologists in the Mineral Resources Department of the BSC Research Organisation. I can let you have contact details for David if you send me a PM.

Dave
Jim MacPherson
10 years ago
Hi,

I don't know if this thread is still live, if it is I am commenting because John MacPherson was my father and I was one of the NCMRS/PDMHS people who went down Fawside Level and the waterwheel shaft after BSC drained the mine. Curiously I was dropping some items of at Killhope Wheel today and was talking about that time which was probably late 60's just before I went to university. If it is of interest I'll be speaking with my brother later and we'll see if we have any photos from that time.

Regards

Jim MacPherson
PeteJ
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Jim

yes -still looking for images. Any that you might find would be very welcome.

Pete
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Jim MacPherson
10 years ago
Hi Pete,

One, certainly, of some cheery souls in the work yard and one, perhaps, of some more bedraggled types at the entrance possibly after a trip down (and back up) the incline. I'll speak to my brother in a bit and see what else may be around.

Regards

Jim MacPherson
Daggers
10 years ago
As well as PDMHS Peter, WMRG were also exploring a lot of the mines up in that area around that time, maybe speak to Peter Johnson, John Jones or Eddy Legge (all three are Wirksworth members) I know Eddy did a lot of work up there and as been in Beaumont Mine at Allenheads.
Daggers
PeteJ
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Thanks. I will ask.

Pete Jackson
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Jim MacPherson
10 years ago
Hi Pete,

I've put 3 photos up which I think relate to Fawside/Beaumont Mine, my brother can also remember going down to the underground waterwheels after BSC commenced drainage and thinks there are some underground photos, we'll look presently.

Jim

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