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rhychydwr
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#21

"Aditaddict" wrote:
This looks to me like a tarted up ornament
what do you experts think ?

It was only on for a few minutes and now its sold

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Unusual-Hand-Made-Brass-amp-Copper-Thomas-Williams-Clanny-Safety-Davy-Miners-Lamp-/151617488345?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2047675.l2557&nma=true&si=ovPRcrXk12jxrkZdkGRtBZNplQY%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

Does any one know how much it sold for?

Cutting coal in my spare time.

Graigfawr
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#22

"Aditaddict" wrote:
Here we go again , never seen owt like this one
condition looks brand new , Looks like aluminium , so could actually be an old surveyors lamp , or it could be an ornament from the Indian sub continent ?

But that base ? looks like something off me grannies sideboard ;D

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VERY-RARE-OLD-MINERS-LAMP-/271809353948?&_trksid=p2056016.m2518.l4276

No obvious sign of a lock which has been a legal necessity since Victorian times.

Single gauzes were illegal in the UK after around 1912 but aluminium lamps seem unlikely to have been made at so early date.

I seem to recall that gauzes were obliged to be protected by bonnets from c.1912 if not earlier.

Hence possibly from abroad or a one-off / small batch made to demonstrate a new design or patent feature?

Absence of dents and scratches suggest it has seen little if any use.

Heb
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10 years ago

#23

Try googling Cosset-Dubrulle

Graigfawr
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10 years ago

#24

Thank you!

Aditaddict
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10 years ago

#25

There's a whole new world out there !
I have noticed that before , that Belgian miners lamps don't seem to have locking devices

derrickhand
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10 years ago

#26

Regarding aluminium construction, I have a Spiralarm lamp which is a souvenir of my tunnelling days.

These aren't subject to MASHAM or its predecessors and usually have aluminium bodies, and don't have locks.

plus ca change, plus c'est le meme chose

rufenig
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10 years ago

#27

Well spotted on the Cosset-Dubrulle :thumbup:

There are two types of "Spiralarm" lamps commonly seen.
The type S for Sewer is the common one and the Type M for mines. I have not handled a Type M so can not comment on wether they were alluminium.

nwminer
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10 years ago

#28

I have a Cosset-Dubrulle - on my lamp, which I think is typical, the wick adjustment and locking system are all controlled by a single knob. To open the lamp you need to turn the wick adjuster past the point where the wick is fully retracted and the flame has gone out - only then will the lamp open.

I also have a Spiralarm (one of the later brass models) and it does have a magnetic lock. It operates by placing a magnet at the base of one of the bars that surround the glass - only one of the bars is of magnetic material, the one with the lock. A shame that so many lamps have had magnetic locks disabled, I was fortunate to find one where the lock was still operational.

derrickhand
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10 years ago

#29

I've never encountered a Spiralarm M type, although I know of them. I assume they also lack the red warning light and the flat steel plate for the litmus paper?

plus ca change, plus c'est le meme chose

nwminer
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10 years ago

#30

The Type M Spiralarm has the red glass and light on the lower portion of the lamp, but the red glass is much shorter than on the Type S. I have never encountered a Type S, but would guess a lock wouldn't have been a requirement.

rufenig
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10 years ago

#31

Naylor Spiralarm lamps.
They have a battery and bulb inside. In the presence of flamible gas (methane) the flame burns hotter which affects a thermostat strip, this bends and makes an electrical contact lighting the bulb.
It is most common to see the one with a small 20mm red window marked as type S for sewer. (which I have.)
The one with a bigger 50mm window is normally a type M for mine.
Looking at google there are pictures of both sizes with both labels. :blink:

Aditaddict
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10 years ago

#32

There is also a little buzzer alarm in the type "S" , don't know about the type "M"

Aditaddict
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10 years ago

#33

Here we are again , this is a lovely looking item
Wolf type FE made of solid copper , what would be the application of this lamp in mining , if at all it was for mining

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RARE-Copper-Wm-Maurice-WOLF-SAFETY-LAMP-Ministry-POWER-B1-199-Model-FE-Lantern-/201313140359?

AdM Michael
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10 years ago

#34

I'd say copperplated but certainly not made from copper. Somebody just galvanized it with copper and gave it a good polish to make it look more 'valuable'.

nwminer
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#35

I am also skeptical that this lamp is actually made of solid copper - I suspect it really is just copper plated.

According to the book '100 Years of Wolf Safety Lamps', published in 2012 jointly by Wolf and the Miners Lamp Collectors Society, there were only '10-20 samples for trial' of the 'FE' model, with no actual production. There was a later 'FE2' model with production of 750-800. The igniter arrangement was different on the FE2. The copper plated model on ebay does appear to be one of the early FE models, and not the FE2.

Aditaddict
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#36

I asked that very question , and was told solid copper , it's also electronic spark ignition , and something else I have never seen on this model of lamp is the name engraved around the bonnet

Graigfawr
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10 years ago

#37

Someone had access to an electroplating tank!

I've seen numerous "enhancements" to flame safety lamps but this treatment is new to me.

The most bizzare "enhancement" I've seen is closely spaced wooden strips glued vertically on the bonnet - sort of an Elizabethan half-timbered effect.

There must be few things that flame safety lamps have not been subjected to...

Aditaddict
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#38

There was one in an auction a few weeks back that was completely clad in milti coloured leather and beads
I have also seen a Full brass Wolf 7RMBS in an auction in Israel
I have various odd lamps including a full brass GR6S
I also have a type 6 with iron bonnet which Ian Hebson of Cumbrian mining said is a type 6 workmans he had one and said it's the only lamp he regrets selling as its so rare
I have seen about four type 6 iron tops on sale on Ebay