Tin Miner
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Whilst looking through the site I visted the section "Tamar Valley"... and to my utter astonishment, I find 29 mines listed, all but a couple are not in the Tamar Valley... Amazing

Where's Devon Great Consols, Bedford United, West Maria & Fortescue, Gunnislake & South Bedford, Luscombe, George & Charlotte etc etc. That's to name but a few.

I admire this site, and the extraordinary amount of hard work that has gone into it, and still forthcoming. What I find annoying is the huge amount of wrong information regarding Devon's mines. This is such a shame, and very misleading for members, and visitors who may wish to take a look at one of these sites.

Also there's the fact that future generations will pick-up on this info, and before you know it the mine has moved a mile if not many miles from its known position.

Are members happy with this happening?

Regards Tin Miner
simonrl
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15 years ago
This site, as everybody knows, relies on people taking their own time, and through their own goodwill, posting information. Nobody owns it or has conquered a corner of the UK for their own exclusive submissions (although there are regional editors who take care of regions) so feel free to post up corrections.

Anybody posting corrections however please bear in mind that I personally do not know everything about everywhere so can't get involved if a difference of opinion arises.

I just try to do my best to keep it all running and keep all parties happy.
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ditzy
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15 years ago
isnt the area done by who first puts a mine in the database?
how can entries be put rite?

in derbys jug holes and noon nick could/should be be put in the same entry and holme bank /holme hall are the same place except hh is the flooded bit
royfellows
15 years ago
I agree that it needs sorting but its not my turf, mine is central Wales.

However, looking at Regional Editors I am down as "South West England", ouch, no its central Wales.

More sorting needed.


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Tin Miner
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15 years ago
How do you locate the regional editors please....
ICLOK
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15 years ago
Please feel free to suggest corrections and we will amend accordingly... 🙂
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simonrl
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15 years ago
"royfellows" wrote:

I agree that it needs sorting but its not my turf, mine is central Wales.

However, looking at Regional Editors I am down as "South West England", ouch, no its central Wales.



Ah you originally volunteered for South West Roy 😉 It's not a problem though, I can very easily move you.

Tin Miner - have a look at http://www.aditnow.co.uk/contributors/ 

I am aware a good few regional editors don't regularly visit the site any more (at least I don't think they do!) so maybe it might be time for a bit of refresh of the editor list (apologies to any REs reading this who are thinking "I damn well do", I don't mean you!)
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royfellows
15 years ago
"Tin Miner" wrote:

How do you locate the regional editors please....



Information and Recources/Contributors

Hope you are well TM, may have an update MJ disk for you shortly.
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royfellows
15 years ago
"simonrl" wrote:

"royfellows" wrote:

I agree that it needs sorting but its not my turf, mine is central Wales.

However, looking at Regional Editors I am down as "South West England", ouch, no its central Wales.



Ah you originally volunteered for South West Roy 😉 It's not a problem though, I can very easily move you.

Tin Miner - have a look at http://www.aditnow.co.uk/contributors/ 

I am aware a good few regional editors don't regularly visit the site any more (at least I don't think they do!) so maybe it might be time for a bit of refresh of the editor list (apologies to any REs reading this who are thinking "I damn well do", I don't mean you!)



"I damn well do"

EDIT
Simon, its central Wales, you have been on at least 4 of my trips and put up with my Black Country accent for 2 days!
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simonrl
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15 years ago
Hi Roy

You're right, I didn't mean you :)

I've moved you to the Mid Wales area now 🙂
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Vanoord
15 years ago
To be fair, the database is pretty comprehensive, but there will always be the potential for errors to creep in: it's not uncommon for the sources used to create entries to be incorrect and there's no easy way of noticing an error that's already been made in several different sources before.

TinMiner - if you would like to point out any corrections that need making, please feel free to put a post in the Site Updates, Suggestions & Corrections forum http://www.aditnow.co.uk/community/viewforum.aspx?f=20  and the necessary changes can be made: I'm sure the site's users would be very grateful and - as you correctly say - it will be correct for future generations 🙂
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simonrl
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15 years ago
You're now showing correctly as Mid Wales Roy. Sorry about the mix-up.
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ICLOK
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15 years ago
Everytime I get a database amendment I do always put it on ... but we are only as good as the info given! :flowers:
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ICLOK
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15 years ago
"Tin Miner" wrote:


I admire this site, and the extraordinary amount of hard work that has gone into it, and still forthcoming. What I find annoying is the huge amount of wrong information regarding Devon's mines. This is such a shame, and very misleading for members, and visitors who may wish to take a look at one of these sites.

Also there's the fact that future generations will pick-up on this info, and before you know it the mine has moved a mile if not many miles from its known position.

Are members happy with this happening?

Regards Tin Miner



There we go Dartmoor fully amended...

Having re-read this post and having spent my evening doing these changes (4 hours), to be honest I'm starting to wonder why I bother considering the way this entire subject came up and how the Tamar mines post above was phrased re being annoyed at the innacuracies and are members happy!! 😠
You "admire" this site but not the hours of time I spent entering all but a few of these mines by the NGRs that I was given in good faith by other members from the SW!!!, and frankly I didn't see anybody else rushing to enter these mines, quite the opposite, nobody complained at the time!! So actually I'm not going to sit back and take criticism for only doing what I'm supposed to do... because if thats how its going to be then find another SW admin... its easy to pick fault after the event! 😠
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simonrl
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15 years ago
Thank you very much ICLOK.

I'm still sat here preparing the new server for Friday's move, so there were at least two of us actively working on the site tonight!
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ICLOK
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15 years ago
Fed up and going bed now... this has p**sed me off no end... Nite. Good look with the server! :zzz:
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Tin Miner
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15 years ago
ICLOK

I offered to do the Devon side of the SW mines to no avail. I've not been coming into these forums like I used to due to illness, and have given up the underground exploration also.

I spend all my time researching and hold a very large data-base of Devon mining information. As many will tell you... if they require info on a certain mine or area I always accommodate, as I feel that the more info in the public domain the better.

If last nights adjusting of this forums information on Devon mines got to you I apologise. I was going to sort all the Devon mining info into its correct areas and supply all the NGR’s, but if this is going to cause problems, then maybe I’ll give it a miss.

May I make a suggestion… As you’re aware some mines were known by more than one title, so maybe an area within that mines info could have space for the alternative mine names.

E.G. – Huntingdon Mine (SX 667 667) Also known as: - East Wheal Rose (1837); Dartmoor Forest Mine (1850); Avon Consols (1852); Huntingdon Mine (1857), Devon Wheal Vor (1863), Devon Consols Tin Mines (1864) & New Huntingdon Mine (1867).

Personally I’d like to see the correct information regarding Devon’s mines, if not all listed mines etc. The wrong info, as you’re well aware, will lead future writers, explorers, etc to misplace the mine.

ICLOK… If you’re happy for me to amend the info and send it to you personally, then I’m happy to do that. Then you can amend it as and when you’ve the time.

Kindest regards Tin Miner
Wyn
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15 years ago
To paraphrase Tin Miner. Whilst looking through the site I visited the forum... and to my utter astonishment, I find ICLOCK has spent time listing the Dartmoor sites. Amazing

I admire this site, and the extraordinary amount of hard work that has gone into it, and still forthcoming. What I find understandable is the small amount of wrong information regarding UK mines, given the scale of the undertaking. This could be misleading for members, and visitors who may wish to take a look at one of these sites, but hopefully good feedback will eradicate errors.

Let me put my hand up here, I'm quite happy to put a few photos onto the site, but have I offered to help out further? No.

I cannot pretend to have the knowledge of Roy, but I have lived in Mid Wales for many years and was once involved in a work capacity with identifying impacts of some of the mines in the area.

I still spend too much time in the SW (I used to live and work down there) and still walk Dartmoor on a regular basis. Yet ICLOCK in Derbyshire has done all that good work.

So I'm sitting back and enjoying the fruits of other peoples labours, as are most who visit this site. THANK YOU ALL.

It's easy to criticise and unfortunately given the "anorak" nature we have, we're prone to niggle on getting facts exact, but there has to be a constructive way of doing it.

ICLOK
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15 years ago
I really don't mind how it gets done and as far as I'm concerned if somebody will make the time who knows the area then fantastic... they get my vote. So speak to Simon re getting some admin privelages for Devon.

I don't mind doing donkey work entering stuff either as long as I know what I'm doing but I work hard on here as do others and by no stretch of the imagination are we ever going to be 100% correct... there is however a way of making that point when changes are required, I personally would never assume I knew more than local experts but people need to understand we admins are just volunteers and don't expect a kicking for not being experts.

Supplying the NGRs and corrections is much appreciated particularly by me as I love the nature of the Devon sites which are an opposite to the often substantive rems to be found in Cornwall... Devon makes you work harder to find anything... which is fun .... so I get the need for accurate locations!

This site's DB is at best based on given information that can hopefully be found to be correct... Bare in mind my attempt at Devon was based on books and on documents I was sent by people down there inc an official one!!.
Just like a computer we as admins are only as good as the info we are given!!

So lets enjoy what we do and understand that people don't deliberately set out to mess up the DB, they just do what they believe is right until requested to do otherwise in view of better or newer data! Data bases evolve and this sort of thing is part of its evolution!
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JohnnearCfon
15 years ago
"Tin Miner" wrote:



May I make a suggestion… As you’re aware some mines were known by more than one title, so maybe an area within that mines info could have space for the alternative mine names.

E.G. – Huntingdon Mine (SX 667 667) Also known as: - East Wheal Rose (1837); Dartmoor Forest Mine (1850); Avon Consols (1852); Huntingdon Mine (1857), Devon Wheal Vor (1863), Devon Consols Tin Mines (1864) & New Huntingdon Mine (1867).



I thought that was already the case, certainly it is for N Wales.

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