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I thought Trevithick's first loco's, had the flange on the track and not on the wheel's?
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so did i and that the loco broke the iron plates....

Edit: Definate L section plates not rails! :thumbsup:
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JohnnearCfon
17 years ago
"Clunk" wrote:

I thought Trevithick's first loco's, had the flange on the track and not on the wheel's?



Yes, but no one said either of those was built by Trevithick. His loco was earlier (1803 or 1804 from memory). A replica exists. Built by National Museum of Wales, it used to be kept in Cardiff, don't know where it is now though.
JohnnearCfon
17 years ago
Quite a bit of info on this page:-

http://www.alangeorge.co.uk/PenydarrenLocomotive.htm 

I hadn't realised he had invented a rock boring machine.
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I think the full-scale replica of the locomotive is in Telford Central Station, Telford, Shropshire?? 🙂
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17 years ago
"JohnnearCfon" wrote:

"Clunk" wrote:

I thought Trevithick's first loco's, had the flange on the track and not on the wheel's?



Yes, but no one said either of those was built by Trevithick. His loco was earlier (1803 or 1804 from memory). A replica exists. Built by National Museum of Wales, it used to be kept in Cardiff, don't know where it is now though.



I have a copy of Francis Trevithick's two volume biography of his father. It was an integral part of his genius and personality that he flitted from project to project. Below is a diagram of Trevithick' Tramroad Locomotive, South Wales, 1803, taken from the first volume.

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17 years ago
Notice it says Trams and Railway locomotives. Oh God, sorry Simon :flowers:
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17 years ago

I was mooching through the pics I have and I thought there was one of the Trevithick Statue ( a much better piece of work than the Redruth abomination) showing a model of his locomotive he is cradling in his arms, but this one dosen't show it at all. The picture is nice so I thought I would post it anyway.
I'll keep looking though.... it has to be here somewhere..........

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That is a great staue.... I like it because of the model too, great photo :thumbup:
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Am I right in saying that Trevithick had a forge in bridgnorth (shropshire)? I'm sure they are making a lot of noise about it in the town at the moment - something about 'catch me if you can' which I think was the name of a loco. Not sure about the Telford railway station model - never seen it.. There are caves alongside the river which were supposed to be the forge where he worked - I can photo them for you guys if you like... I'm not a railway anorak, but I do get to play on the footplate of the Severn Valley Railway sometimes - great fun... it runs through my property.


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I don't know about a forge but he used John Hazeldines engine foundry at Bridgenorth (if we are talking about the same place) quite extensively. His original ballast dredging-engines came from there. Over a few years he made various sorts of engines there.
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Sorry - forge / foundry used interchangeably.. Bridgnorth is the correct spelling...

There really isnt anything known or recorded about that foundry - I'm quite surprised that they havent made more of it in the town. We've got Ironbridge just up the river, I'm forever digging artefacts out of the river at our place - coalport china, bits of rusty iron etc., but Bridgnorth is known more for the drunkenly leaning castle tower and cliff railway than a very important historical foundry....

Not sure where the coal and iron ore would have come from - presumably ironbridge, and brought downriver on barges from the mines in the gorge..


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I'm not 100% sure so forgive me if I'm wrong but I think there is a working (?) half scale model of one of Trevithick's engines at the Blists Hill museum at Ironbridge.
Also wasn't 'catch me who can' a (sort of) joyride Trevithick set up in the Oystermouth area on the coast between Swansea and Mumbles?

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"skippy" wrote:

Sorry - forge / foundry used interchangeably.. Bridgnorth is the correct spelling...

There really isnt anything known or recorded about that foundry - I'm quite surprised that they havent made more of it in the town. We've got Ironbridge just up the river, I'm forever digging artefacts out of the river at our place - coalport china, bits of rusty iron etc., but Bridgnorth is known more for the drunkenly leaning castle tower and cliff railway than a very important historical foundry....

Not sure where the coal and iron ore would have come from - presumably ironbridge, and brought downriver on barges from the mines in the gorge..



I wasn't trying to be pedantic, just the way it's spelt in Trevithick's book. Don't know if this is of any interest but it's the recollections of Richard Preen, taken at Bridgnorth in 1869, who worked at the foundry.

"I am now seventy years old, and was working in 1809 in John Hazeldine's engine foundry at Bridgenorth, and have been there most of' my time. About that time Mr. Trevithick came very often to the foundry. The engines Hazeldine was building were called Trevithick's engines. The outer boiler was a cast-iron cylinder like a barrel, about 5 feet in diameter. The fire was inside in a wrought-iron tube. The cylinder was let into the boiler, the four-way cock had a handle that was knocked up and down. The piston-rod had a cross-head, and two side rods went down, one to the pin in the fly-wheel, the other to a pin in the cog-wheel; some of them had a crank on one end of the shaft instead of the cog-wheel.
"Mr. 'l'revithick made another kind of engine, called the Model, some people called it the Windmill, and said it was intended to throw balls against the French. There were two great arms, each of them 10 or 12 feet long, placed opposite one another on a hollow shaft or axle, which had a nozzle in it When steam was turned on it puffed out at the ends of the arms, and they went around like lightning, with a noise like shush! shush! so then it was called by that name.
"This engine was made just before Mr. Trevithick went to South America. He did not know what to do with it, and so gave it a present to Jones, the foreman in the works.
"Master and Jones had a pretty quarrel about who should have it afterwards.
"Mr.Rastrick was considered the engineer. He quarrelled with Hazeldine about putting up the Chepstow Bridge, and set up for himself at West Bromwich, to construct portable engines, the same as they made for Mr. 'l'revithick.
"He sent word to me to come to work for him. I was then working one of Mr. l'revithick's engines in Mr. Sing's tan-yard. They said they would put me in prison if I left them. That was about 1818.
"Mr. Hazeldine's brother (William Hazeldine) lived at Shrewsbury. He built Bangor Bridge.
" A Spaniard carne once or twice with Mr. Trevithick. I was getting the core out of one of the cast-iron boilers before it was cold, for fear of straining the iron. The Spaniard sent for quarter of a cask of beer because we worked hard. Several engines and plunger-pumps were made, no piece to be larger than a mule could carry."

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"jr48" wrote:

I'm not 100% sure so forgive me if I'm wrong but I think there is a working (?) half scale model of one of Trevithick's engines at the Blists Hill museum at Ironbridge.
Also wasn't 'catch me who can' a (sort of) joyride Trevithick set up in the Oystermouth area on the coast between Swansea and Mumbles?


Yes I know I'm replying to my own message :blink: but I wrote that bit earlier but then had to go out. So I actually had a think (note to self. Try doing that before typing in future!). I now think that I was thinking of the Oystermouth railway. I still think that 'Catch me who can' was run in Wales though. Possibly the Merthr Tydfil area. :stupid:
Hopefully someone will be able to put me right if I've got it wrong (again!).
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JohnnearCfon
17 years ago
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I now think that I was thinking of the Oystermouth railway. I still think that 'Catch me who can' was run in Wales though. Possibly the Merthr Tydfil area. :stupid:
Hopefully someone will be able to put me right if I've got it wrong (again!).



I believe you may be getting two of Trev's locos mixed up. You are correct that he did build a loco for use in the Merthyr Tydfil area, that was the Penydarren loco already referred to on here.

However, IIRC the "Catch me who can came a few (10 ish?) years later, and ran round a circular track in one of the London Parks (Hyde Park?)
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Thank you. In future I'll try to only type what I know about. (So it could be some time before you hear from me again.)
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JohnnearCfon
17 years ago
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Thank you. In future I'll try to only type what I know about. (So it could be some time before you hear from me again.)
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No, don't say that, it is by having discussions like this that we all learn something new. Nothing wrong with that in my book. :thumbup:
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"JohnnearCfon" wrote:

"jr48" wrote:

I now think that I was thinking of the Oystermouth railway. I still think that 'Catch me who can' was run in Wales though. Possibly the Merthr Tydfil area. :stupid:
Hopefully someone will be able to put me right if I've got it wrong (again!).



I believe you may be getting two of Trev's locos mixed up. You are correct that he did build a loco for use in the Merthyr Tydfil area, that was the Penydarren loco already referred to on here.

However, IIRC the "Catch me who can came a few (10 ish?) years later, and ran round a circular track in one of the London Parks (Hyde Park?)



In 1808 Trevithick constructed not only a locomotive but also a railway that the London public could see with their own eyes. The engine was built by Hazeldine at Bridgnorth. The sister of Davies Gilbert named the engine ‘Catch-me-who-can’. He ran it on a circular track at Torrington Square. It was his last locomotive. It was adapted to steamboat propulsion and propelled the Lord Mayor’s barge in 1810. I’m not aware that it was ever again set on a rail; it certainly wasn’t in London.
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I have to say - these forum members are a highly intelligent lot - I've learned a lot today about a little known local phenomenon here in Bridgnorth - only a mile from me up the river.. What a pity the local council don't do something a bit more entrepreneurial about it.. Mind you - they did have the stupidity to refuse funding to the Bridgnorth Folk Festival, which doubled in size every year, and is now being held in Shrewsbury, to the delight of that council, who are a bit more intelligent...
Thanks for enlightening me folks.. I shall go take some photos of the remains of the foundry (or what I understand them to be anyway..)


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