carnkie
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17 years ago
The annual Trevithick Day looms large again. I understand that there is going to be a replica of his first passenger-carrying common road locomotive c 1801. Might be worth a gander if true. This is the one I beileve.
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The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.
JohnnearCfon
17 years ago
Just so long as they don't leave it outside a pub while they adjourn for refreshments! :lol:
hymac580c
17 years ago
Went to the Beamish open air Mueseum nr.Newcastle last yar and there was a copy of a very early steam engine running on tracks. We had the pleasure of riding on it. There was another engine in a shed nearby. I made a video of the engine running but it is too long to email.
http://www.aditnow.co.uk/photo/Personal-Album-106-Image-045/ 
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JohnnearCfon
17 years ago
Isn't that Locomotion?
hymac580c
17 years ago
Yes I think it is John. But a replica of course. It was a brilliant experiece riding on the replica wagons, and the sound of that engine was something unique I can tell you. It has a modern type of air compressor in one of the wagons to work the brakes from what I could see.
There was another in a nerby shed. I will look for the photo.
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hymac580c
17 years ago
Here is the other one. I do not know what it is.
http://www.aditnow.co.uk/photo/Personal-Album-106-Image-046/ 
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JohnnearCfon
17 years ago
I think I was wrong, the loco in the first photo has the chimney at the rear of the locomotive, Locomotion's was at the front. On looking Beamish up, it seems they have various very early locos (or replicas thereof). So I had better not speculate further. None of the photos I can find shows a loco with a rear mounted chimney!
merddinemrys
17 years ago
Beamish have replicas of the Locomotion No. 1 and the Steam Elephant so you are probably correct John.
hymac580c
17 years ago
The chimney of both engines are at the front. The engine that was running had a small wagon in front of the engine where the stoker tended to the fire. I have lost the guide book so I do not remember which engine it was.
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JohnnearCfon
17 years ago
"hymac580c" wrote:

The chimney of both engines are at the front. The engine that was running had a small wagon in front of the engine where the stoker tended to the fire. I have lost the guide book so I do not remember which engine it was.



So it didn't have a tender behind then? :lol:

Sorry couldn't resist!

Seriously though, did it have a tender at the opposite end?

I am still searching through photos. From what I can make out Steam elephant had 6 wheels whereas Locomotion had 4. I have found another loco photographed in the shed at Beamish that is simply described as 1822 loco the same site shows Steam Elephant and Locomotion as well so there must be 3 there. Another site says the turns are covered by SE and Locomotion. My head hurts!
merddinemrys
17 years ago
iirc the Steam Elephant is an 0-6-0 based on a locomotive shown in a painting and there is some doubt as to whether it actually existed, or whether the engine is exactly as depicted in said painting.
hymac580c
17 years ago
Sorry John, but my knowlage of historic steam engines is quite dim. And I probebly do not know which is the front and the back because it does not have a bonnet and a boot. But under the chimney was the fire and in front of the chimney was the fire man in a wagon. I will look for a better photo.
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JohnnearCfon
17 years ago
My knowledge is no better either! Give me a De Winton or a quarry Hunslet any day!

Some of the early ones (as in your photos) look to me as if they were originally designed to be steam driven knitting machines! :lol:
JohnnearCfon
17 years ago
Here is the Wiki entry about Steam Elephant. It would seem that there are several (at least 2) paintings of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_Elephant 
hymac580c
17 years ago
Here is another view of the chimney. I think it was the 'Elephant' but I cannot conform that for definite.

http://www.aditnow.co.uk/photo/Personal-Album-106-Image-047/ 
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hymac580c
17 years ago
Sorry it was not the elephant as it did not have 6 wheels but only 4 wheels and the tender had 4 smaller wheels.
So what is the engine? There should be a few steam enthusiasts out there that can identify this machine. 😉
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JohnnearCfon
17 years ago
Sorry Hymac. That can't be Steam Elephant, it only has 4 wheels (on the loco) also the cylinders are wrong.

I have just found this which shows the painting and the replica

http://www.locos-in-profile.co.uk/Articles/Early_Locos/early4.html 
rodel
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17 years ago
Although I'm not a railway anorak as such I "know a man who is" and am told that this loco is a replica of William Hedley's "Puffing Billy" which was built in 1813 and worked for 50 years at Wylam colliery before being put in the Science Museum in London. The engine shown in the rear of the shed at Beamish does appear to be the the legendary "Elephant" the original having disappeared without trace during the 1840s - allegedly. 😞
carnkie
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17 years ago
Assuming the the anorack is right (usually are) this what Wiki has to say with photo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puffing_Billy_(locomotive) 

Must take my anorack to the dry cleaners tomorrow. 😞
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hymac580c
17 years ago
I would also agree that you have hit the nail on its head and that we now are more educated on these engines.
I presume one is a 'Puffing Billy' and the other must be the 'Elephant'.
But I would recomend it to anyone who is visiting the nothern parts of England to visit the Beamish open air muesuem. It takes you all day to go around everything including a victorian drift coal mine.
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