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Horsemaddad
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10 years ago

#81

'bout a 1,000! Wonder if any of the Hatfield men will put their names down?

Colin

Jimbo
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10 years ago

#82

"martymarty" wrote:
any jobs going? :tongue:

Most probably mate, at least that's what I'm hoping, as most of the big tunnelling and mining contractors are busy in London with Crossrail and then Thames Tideway. They may even struggle to get the skilled workforce they need for the five year build!

I can see you now as a loco driver Marty, Choo Choo! :lol:

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somersetminer
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10 years ago

#83

"Jimbo" wrote:
most of the big tunnelling and mining contractors are busy in London with Crossrail and then Thames Tideway. They may even struggle to get the skilled workforce they need for the five year build!

no 'may' about it! they've had to look high and low to find firms with the capacity just to get the latest opencast mine up and running, never mind underground

Ty Gwyn
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10 years ago

#84

Somebody has been doing the drivages at the 4 Collieries that have announced closure this month.

ChrisJC
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10 years ago

#85

It's made the BBC news front page:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-33333543

Chris.

legendrider
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10 years ago

#86

Great. Can't eat scenery

MARK

festina lente[i]

John Lawson
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10 years ago

#87

An underground Zinc mine in Ireland is on the point of closure, so I guess some of these guys could find jobs on the project.
The other big problem from the companies' point of view will to ensure that they have enough funding.
All the big mining companies are taking long hard looks at their mines and trying to keep a very tight rein on their finances.
RTZ are looking to sell off some or all of their Australlian coal mines, and have or are cancelling an underground extension to a open pit Uranium mine.

sumpjumper
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10 years ago

#88

Probably the right result. Strictly speaking govt should call the decision in for public inquiry given the departure from national policy.......but this govt wont. Assuming any legal challenge is unsuccessful it's then just a question whether this was a serious project and they can raise the development finance or whether they just intended to 'sell' the planning permission'. After all previous potash consents have not been implemented.

If it does go ahead then at least the national park have secured some substantial mitigation, not least a 23 mile extraction tunnel and a huge pot for environmental good works. The close vote on the application also indicates that the planning system has done its job. Good luck to more Yorkshire potash ::)

Ty Gwyn
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10 years ago

#89

The one thing that is in favour of this project against that of coal,is that the price of potash is high not rock bottom like coal.

The point of is it a serious project or just a selling point with planning does have merit,it has blocked any possible future development by Boulby in that direction,and given their now big move into polyhalite,which previously they said was not worth mining when Sirus`s applications first went in,would`nt surprise me if plan`s are already underfoot for a buyout.

exspelio
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10 years ago

#90

That's an interesting conjecture Ty Gwyn, establish the mining rights to stifle the opposition then move in on them.
Sounds like the kind of thing the tin barons might have done down in the bottom left hand corner, ---anyone care to comment?

Always remember, nature is in charge, get it wrong and it is you who suffers!.

jbg
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10 years ago

#91

Given that the company has already invested in buying the way leaves for the transport tunnel, 40Km at £80/m, drilling multiple bore holes on the head / shaft site ready for grouting during sinking I think this is a serious proposition, the only thing that could stop it now is finance or lack of it.

Hopefully all good new for Whitby in terms of Jobs and investment. Given I am originally from the area and moved away for work I hope it moves Whitby away from the pure tourist economy.

Jimbo
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10 years ago

#92

"Ty Gwyn" wrote:
The point of is it a serious project or just a selling point with planning does have merit,it has blocked any possible future development by Boulby in that direction,and given their now big move into polyhalite,which previously they said was not worth mining when Sirus`s applications first went in,would`nt surprise me if plan`s are already underfoot for a buyout.

Doesn't the planning permission only last for 5 years, after which it lapses and everything is back to square one, thus opening things up to Boulby again? 🙂

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Ty Gwyn
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10 years ago

#93

"Jimbo" wrote:

"Ty Gwyn" wrote:
The point of is it a serious project or just a selling point with planning does have merit,it has blocked any possible future development by Boulby in that direction,and given their now big move into polyhalite,which previously they said was not worth mining when Sirus`s applications first went in,would`nt surprise me if plan`s are already underfoot for a buyout.

Doesn't the planning permission only last for 5 years, after which it lapses and everything is back to square one, thus opening things up to Boulby again? :)

Surely that mean`s the project must be started within 5yrs,similar to building a house,once the footings are in your fine?
I stand to be corrected of course.

ChrisJC
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10 years ago

#94

It is a pity they need a 23mile tunnel. I am sure they need the expense of that like a hole in the head.

I wonder if they have a cheap way of doing it, i.e. their idea of a tunnel is really a big pipe buried with cut & cover.

Chris.

Jimbo
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10 years ago

#95

"Ty Gwyn" wrote:

"Jimbo" wrote:

"Ty Gwyn" wrote:
The point of is it a serious project or just a selling point with planning does have merit,it has blocked any possible future development by Boulby in that direction,and given their now big move into polyhalite,which previously they said was not worth mining when Sirus`s applications first went in,would`nt surprise me if plan`s are already underfoot for a buyout.

Doesn't the planning permission only last for 5 years, after which it lapses and everything is back to square one, thus opening things up to Boulby again? :)

Surely that mean`s the project must be started within 5yrs,similar to building a house,once the footings are in your fine?
I stand to be corrected of course.

That is how I understand it too, though I would think that once they start they have to see it through to completion or there will be some clause in the planning to prevent abuse. I notice Scotgold have had their planning permission for Connonish extended a year into 2016 along with a revision to allow 24/6 working of the plant which is more economical/profitable, so maybe things are not as set in stone as we think! 🙂

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Jimbo
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10 years ago

#96

"ChrisJC" wrote:
It is a pity they need a 23mile tunnel. I am sure they need the expense of that like a hole in the head.

I wonder if they have a cheap way of doing it, i.e. their idea of a tunnel is really a big pipe buried with cut & cover.

Chris.

The well hidden mineral transport system is the only way they managed to get planning in the NP. The proposed tunnel has 4 shafts of up to 360m in depth and 5 TBM drives, so it's a little bit more involved than a cut and cover job :lol:
Good description of it here Chris. :)

http://www.tunneltalk.com/York-Potash-Project-UK-11Feb2015-TBM-plan-of-attack-for-planned-potash-mine.php

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John Lawson
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10 years ago

#97

As I previously posted Sirius minerals will have to come up with a lot of cash to make this project viable.
Today's Times quantifies the figure as $2.5 billion.
We will see if they can raise it.

martymarty
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10 years ago

#98

"somersetminer" wrote:

"Jimbo" wrote:
most of the big tunnelling and mining contractors are busy in London with Crossrail and then Thames Tideway. They may even struggle to get the skilled workforce they need for the five year build!

no 'may' about it! they've had to look high and low to find firms with the capacity just to get the latest opencast mine up and running, never mind underground

I'm on the case already!
:thumbsup:

nid oes bradwr yn y ty hwn

BertyBasset
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10 years ago

#99

Ty Gwyn may well be on the right track.
Pissing money out.http://www.fool.co.uk/investing/2015/04/09/is-sirius-minerals-plc-about-to-be-taken-over/

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sumpjumper
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10 years ago

#100

Planning permission these days is only valid for 3 years. Before it expires a material start must have been made to keep the permission alive eg. sinking one of the shafts. There is no requirement to complete development unless the Authority serve a completion notice and the Secretary of State confirms what a reasonable period for completion of the project would be, in the circumstances.

There is always a risk with large development projects that they start but cant afford to finish leading to them either going bust or applying for amendments to reduce costs eg. dropping the extraction tunnel. Didn't something like that happen with the Selby coalfield and the first Boulby company ?

I would imagine the National Park Authority intend to negotiate some sort of financial bond with the developer as an insurance measure, in the event of failure.