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Beyond My Own Lamps Beam


Just finished reading this excellent book by Charles V. Clark.

It tells the story of a group of mineral collectors, and mine explorers attempts to regain access to the large mineral bearing flats of Greenlaws East Vein in Weardale.

I was actually involved in this project during its later years, but hadn’t quite realised just how much time and effort had previously been put in by the various members of the digging team.

Brings back memories of standing in the crater on the moor above Daddry Shield, in the wind, rain and snow (I don’t ever recall there being much sun!), landing kibbles full of mud. Also of digging in the bottom of the rather ‘damp’ hydraulic shaft, filling buckets with what can only be described as watery brown porridge.

It also shows that not all mine explorers & mineral collectors are at each others throats!!!

Available from the shop at Killhope & probably also Nenthead Mines, price £9.99
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16 years ago
Sounds great.

The most famous mine (mineralogically speaking) in Cornwall has a similar story and seeing the efforts firsthand show the grit and determination of the people involved.

A couple of the most ambitious projects have been done by teams of mineral collectors/explorers. I'd say the more you get into it, the more you become of each, until you are a fair oracle on the history, exploration and stuff analysis of each mine.

I can't see why people would not be interested in the product or iso-products of the mine. Seems a bit daft to just go in for a poke around!
Captain Scarlet
16 years ago
Aye... I picked this up at the weekend and its an exceptionally good read.

http://www.librario.com/librario/item/2878 
STANDBY FOR ACTION!!!!...
royfellows
16 years ago
"Heb" wrote:

Beyond My Own Lamps Beam


Just finished reading this excellent book by Charles V. Clark.

It tells the story of a group of mineral collectors, and mine explorers attempts to regain access to the large mineral bearing flats of Greenlaws East Vein in Weardale.

I was actually involved in this project during its later years, but hadn’t quite realised just how much time and effort had previously been put in by the various members of the digging team.

Brings back memories of standing in the crater on the moor above Daddry Shield, in the wind, rain and snow (I don’t ever recall there being much sun!), landing kibbles full of mud. Also of digging in the bottom of the rather ‘damp’ hydraulic shaft, filling buckets with what can only be described as watery brown porridge.

It also shows that not all mine explorers & mineral collectors are at each others throats!!!

Available from the shop at Killhope & probably also Nenthead Mines, price £9.99



Hi Heb
Dont forget old RF was there as as well.
I have a couple of pictures.

🔗Greenlaws-Lead-Mine-Archive-Album-Image-38757[linkphoto]Greenlaws-Lead-Mine-Archive-Album-Image-38757[/linkphoto][/link]


🔗Greenlaws-Lead-Mine-Archive-Album-Image-38756[linkphoto]Greenlaws-Lead-Mine-Archive-Album-Image-38756[/linkphoto][/link]


EDIT
Did you get any underground shots Ian, I didn't?
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Dont forget old RF was there as as well.



How can I forget dear old RF? But Charles has got our names wrong Roy. I think it must have been that glorified tea cosy he always wore on his head both on surface & underground - it must have affected his hearing. In the book, Heb has become Ed, and Roy has become Ray, which actually, I think I prefer!
Never trust a man wearing a balaclava underground!!!

I only have a few underground shots, but very poor, taken with a 35mm compact.
christwigg
16 years ago
Sounds interesting, will try to pick it up some time.

When did all this happen ?
derrickman
16 years ago
scaffold poles 😢 :surrender: 😮
''the stopes soared beyond the range of our caplamps' - David Bick...... How times change .... oh, I don't know, I've still got a lamp like that.
royfellows
16 years ago
"Heb" wrote:

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Dont forget old RF was there as as well.



Roy has become Ray, which actually, I think I prefer!





Grrrr......

Anyway:
Long before the days of Fellows lamps, Scurions and WiseLED, when Practical Photography had just tested a digital camera and declared it rubbish, but as an after comment added that "there may be a lot of developments in this area" or similar.

Is there any mention in the book of 'Indiana Lawson and the falling roof'?
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Is there any mention in the book of 'Indiana Lawson and the falling roof'?



Yes Ray, there's a short paragraph just before 'The End' !
Blackcraig1
16 years ago
Is that the same roof that was falling-in when they took me in there a few years ago (it was my first 'non-touristy' underground trip). Lots of falling stones and a bad joke from Robert Lawson about being there in an earthquake..........

It's now sealed and inaccessible, due to a change in land-ownership?
royfellows
16 years ago
I dont know about which roof, but I do know that they got kicked off from there.

Shame after the work they put in.
Robert posts on here, but I havent seen anything from him for some time.
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Mr Mike
16 years ago
Really like those pictures Roy, looks like some sort of "way out west mining operation"
Mr Mike www.mineexplorer.org.uk
derrickman
16 years ago
"royfellows" wrote:

I dont know about which roof, but I do know that they got kicked off from there.

Shame after the work they put in.
Robert posts on here, but I havent seen anything from him for some time.



nothing new there then. Some contemporaries of mine at CSM had the same experience with a land-owner in Cornwall who happily let them dig until the specimen dealer who was advising him reckoned the time was right, then gated the access and told them they weren't welcome.
''the stopes soared beyond the range of our caplamps' - David Bick...... How times change .... oh, I don't know, I've still got a lamp like that.
Moorebooks
16 years ago

and available now from yours truly - I wil do it £9.99 post free to adit now members until end of September - please PM to order

Mike
Moorebooks
16 years ago
The publisher has messed up big time and advertised the book without realising costs - the colour photos bumped this up considerably and it is now retailing at £11.99.
He has done the right thing and allowed me the lower price on half my order and as such I will honour the lower price until the end of September this replaces the post free offer

Mike
pickering man
16 years ago
just read this recently too and can recommend it . good bedtime reading :thumbsup:
Mr Mike
16 years ago
"pickering man" wrote:

good bedtime reading :thumbsup:



Ditto, just finished it and enjoyed it very much.
Mr Mike www.mineexplorer.org.uk
moorlandmineral
15 years ago
Hi Roy,

Sorry I haven't been doing much on the site recently, the family had 2 bereavements in the last 6 weeks!!! 😞
Charles book is excellent, however maybe not as clear on the events leading up to the loss of the shaft as I would like..
I have heard differing accounts (A couple of rather unpleasant and in my view vindictive ones), so to set the record straight the events are as follows....
The shaft we dug out is located on the edge of what was at the time Gerald Healds land, although the mine workings are actually on land belonging to the neighbouring farm owned by the Pattinson family. Mike Pattinson has always been helpful and friendly to us, and we regard him and his family as friends to this day.
Gerald was difficult to speak to as he was a shy man, well educated and he gave us permission to reopen the old shaft. Everything was fine until suddenly Gerald died.
Gerald's Estate was inherited by his niece Christine. She took a very different view to our presence on what was now her property. Shortly after she acquired the land she contacted my father. He offered to buy the piece of land the shaft was on off her so as to allow her to wash her hands of our operation. She refused this. My dad offered to pay her rent for the use of the land. She refused this. However, we heard little more until 2005 when out of the blue we received a solicitors letter demanding (it a demand nothing less) that we removed ourselves from Christine's land. Now Christine happened to work for the solicitor in question in Stanhope, so the solicitor in question was quite happy to send out letters in profusion with her various demands.
We requested time to remove our equipment from underground. We were offered a month, however the solicitor wanted us to write for permission before we visited. As the weather in October can be variable at very best this meant we could only give a few days notice of a visit. They found this unacceptable. It all came to a head when after sending the solicitor a letter giving notice that we intended to visit the shaft we arrived on site to find someone had made a rather pathetic attempt to 'lock' the shaft top. This we easily moved aside (without damaging the handiwork of the landowner) and we went down the shaft. When we came back out we found the landowner and her husband waiting for us and confrontation followed.
We sought legal advice, our solicitor felt that we had the basis of a case, however, we live in Scotland which as everyone knows has a different judicial system. We would have had to go to England, find an English solicitor and proceed on that basis. We also felt that as Mike Pattinson had been so good to us for so long it would be wrong for us to create problems for him from his neighbour, so on that basis we unfortunately had to let it be.
Anyway, that is the sad story of the shafts demise, anybody who wishes to see the correspondence from the landowner's solicitor is most welcome to PM me.
royfellows
15 years ago
Hi Robert
Nice to hear from you.
I hope that you and John are both well. I will be up at Nenthead next Friday for a few days, but seeing you or John probably too much to hope for.

I still remember the old days, I also remember a full day in Brownley when Maureen came along. We had to leave early and our lamps were going down, we just about made it to the portal.
Plucky little soul wasn’t she?

No Fellows lamps in those days!

You can follow all of my various adventures off the web sites anyway. I am still at it. The day I stop going underground I will be ready for a box!

Very kind of you to give us the story on the loss of Greenlaws, I cannot say though that I had ever heard any other version of this, vindictive or otherwise.
I was however naturally curious, as no doubt were others, as what went wrong.

Sorry to hear of your family bereavements, and hope that it was not anybody close.

Anyway, keep well.

Roy

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